Why Proved Spammers are on 1st Google SERP's Results
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This question is related exclusively to few proved spammers who have gained 1st Google search results for specific terms in the Greek market, targeting Greek audience.
Why he looks spammer and very suspicious?
For instance, the site epipla-sofa.gr, sofa.gr, fasthosting.gr and greekinternetmarketing.com look suspicious regarding their building link activities:
1. suspicious spiky link growth
2. several links from unrelated content (unrelated blog posts forom other markets, paid links, hidden links)
3. excessive amount of suspicious link placements (forum profiles, blog posts, footer and sidebar links)
4. Greek anchor text with the keyword within articles written in foreign languages (total spam)
5. Unnatural anchor text distribution (too many repetitions)
So the main question is: Why Google is unable to recognize/trace some of these (or even all) obvious spamming tactics and still these spammy sites as shwon below reside on the 1st Google.gr SERPs.
Examples of spam sites according to their link building history:
www.greekinternetmarketing.com
All their links look very similar. They use probably software to build links, or even hack authority sites and leave hidden links (really dont know how they could do that).
Could you please explain or share similar issues? Have you ever found any similar cases in your industry, and how did you tackle it?
We would appreciate your immediate attention to this matter.
Regards,
George
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For smaller markets especially, this can be infuriating. I would recommend looking at the recent changes and trajectories in markets like Italy, Spain and Portugal that have had these problems but where Google is gradually focussing effort. I think a lot depends on your timescales, but if you are building a business that you want to last, you should be using sustainable tactics IMO.
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Hello Again & Thanks for your responses.
Well, while there are some generic concepts that you suggest me to follow, such as "quality links", "quality websites", "authority" etc, I don't see the point in them, they're all theory and let me explain why.
If you see google unable to recognize some of the MOST obvious spam tactics, where's the point in talking about "authority" & "quality" links? Some examples:
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Most of the links come from the footer section of the websites
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Most of the links come from blog comments and forum profiles
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Most of the links come from websites with no relation at all with the publisher's website. For instance, the website is talking about furniture, and most of the links come from blog articles that talk about CSS Techniques, Iphone and technology.
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Several links are stuffed nearby hunders of others links, in sections of the website called "partners" & "friendly websites" (obvious paid links sections)
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Several Directory links
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Spiky Link growth "from zero to hero" in 2 weeks
Well, the only thing I can think about Google's failure to recognize this obvious spammy tactics, is that most of the links come from "authority" and high page rank websites. The spammer did a good job recognizing (and buying) "authority" and "trusted" links, that gave him the advantage over the competition.
We have already reported the spammer, however I don't think Google has the resources to solve this kind of issues. Especially when we are not talking about Google.com
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Well the only way to tackle it is to report the site for spamming to google.
However if your real question is how you can duplicate what they have done and whether you will get caught, then you can make a sister site of whatever your site is and use blackhat tactics and see the results. If google slams you at least you wont lose the main site.
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That's right... don't try to beat someone by mimicking their methods - instead do something superior.
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If you are competing with this guy, dont replicate what he has done. Prove to google your site is more popular by getting even better quality links. Google wont have a choice but to rank yours if your link profile is more authoritative.
GREG
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What if I link bombed your website? Every month I pay someone $5 on fiverr.com and buy thousands of super spammy black hat links. Not just your website, the top 5 in the SERP for a certain keyword that I want to get ranked for.
I run a test like this before. Link bombed a website with 15,000+ links, reported to Google but nothing happened so far. It would be too easy for competitors to ruin each other's online reputation with spammy links.
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