Can i 301 redirect a website that does not have manual penalty - but definetly affected by google
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ok, i have a website (website A) which has been running since 2008, done very nicely in search results, until january of this year... it dropped siginificantly, losing about two thirds of visitors etc... then in may basically lost the rest...
i was pulling my hair out for months trying to figure out why, i "think" it was something to do with links and anchor text, i got rid of old SEO company, got a new SEO company, they have done link analysis, trying to remove lots of links, have dissavowed about 500 domains... put in a reconsideration request... got a reply saying there is no manual penalty...
so new seo company says all they can do is carry on removing links, and wait for penguin to update and hopefully that will fix it... this will take as along as it takes penguin to update again...
obviously i can not wait indefinetely, so they have advised i start a new website (website B)... which is a complete duplicate of website A.
Now as we do not know whats wrong with website A - (we think its links - and will get them removed) my seo company said we cant do a 301 redirect, as we will just cause what ever is wrong to pass over to website B... so we need to create a blank page for every single page at website A, saying we have moved and put a NO FOLLOW link to the new page on website B....
Personally i think the above will look terrible, and not be a very user friendly experience - but my seo company says it is the only way to do it... before i do it, i just wanted to check with some experts here, if this is right?
please advise if 301 redirects are NOT correct way to do this.
thanks
James -
Algorithmic penalties like Panda and Penguin will be re-calculated on the refresh of the update. This is the reason you see conflicting answers on whether a 301 will pass the algorithmic penalty: it depends. It depends on a lot of variables that aren't really worth going into right now. The point is, IF your penalty is link-based, the penalty will almost definitely pass with a 301 redirect because the new site has no authority and no visibility.
If you haven't already, you'll want to make sure it's not something like Panda. It would be a shame to start over just to find that your UX and design were to blame all along. I've seen this happen several times because everyone just assumes it's the links.
Leaving both versions of the site will result in Google selecting one. They'll almost definitely select the original version of the site unless you take it down. You need to make the final decision: take the value of your current brand, domain, and legitimate links. Subtract that from the amount you think it will take to overcome the bad links either by removal or counter-balancing them with real links plus the opportunity cost of doing something else.
Starting over is generally the very last recourse, and I suggest it only if the are many links and the vast majority are heavy on the anchor text or clearly spam.
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301 won't pass penalty. If it would work just as David said, I could 301 that domain to a competitor's domain and smash him down.
But David is right, this is not correct way. It's bad technique, sometimes working well but you never know when it will end and then you'll get hit.
For me the best what you can do is to take care of your backlink profile. If reconsideration request didn't help you must build stronger backling profile, take care of On Page SEO and OFF Page SEO and you will need time and patience.
I have had many situations like yours and it's always pain in the ass.
Ohh, one more thing. Take a look at your analytics and compare to the Google Update timeline. Then you will know what kind of creature caused this mess
If you have some more questions I'll try to help.
Thanks,
Jakub. -
301 is not the correct way to do this. A 301 will pass the penalty from the old domain to the new one.
Not sure about starting a new website that's a copy of the old one. I'd imagine Google would be smart enough to see the 2 domains were owned by the same person and have the same content so they may still hold you down in search results. And yes, putting a blank page saying you've moved without automatically redirecting visitors is a bad user experience.
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Non Manual penalties, should I trash my site?
My URL is: www.adserve.com.au I get no traffic from google and I am convinced that I have penalties from the links that point to my page. I have written to google previously and they told me that there are no manual penalties on the site. I give up... I am shelving my ENTIRE brand and starting again with a new site, http://www.trusignage.com, I do not want to do this but... If I do a search for
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"The AdServe system comprises of only one tiny component that can plug directly into the HDMI port of a screen. Traditional digital signage systems require drilling into walls, running cables, a bunch of valuable space and the installation of several pieces of costly"
Brings up another 2 pages from my site, when clicking on "In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 2 already displayed."
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I also have many of my REAL youtube videos that link to my site, maybe about 15
If I 301 redirect my penalised site to my new one am I just poisoning my new site as well? I could get the links changed instead. I will have to keep my old site www.adserve.com.au as I have customers who go to that site to lookup my contact details for support etc. will google see the same phone number and address etc and think I am trying to fill google up with duplicate websites? I would really prefer to keep www.adserve.com.au for Australian clients and usewww.trusignage.com for international clients, if the site layout is the same but all of the site passes copyscape then will I get hurt by duplicate content?
Google is ruining me.. I have no money to spend on adwords right now. I have a new highly inovative software product that has taken almost 2 years to develop and I think I deserve more than 4 visits per month. My actual business has been around for 7 years.
I invented SaaS digital signage in 2007 http://youtu.be/-YpyjLALoBU find me some web based digital signage system that was around prior to 2010?
This is me and my product http://youtu.be/ClXSiIA5DRY
Why should my site be treated as trash by google? I have in the past employed a SEO firm and if I search for "If you are looking for the top provider of digital signage in Australia, visit today" I find 70 absolute crap links to my site. I have disvowed them, there must be more links somewhere but I have no money or time to chase down site owners to remove them when I do not even know if I can get them all and have no guarantee that this will even help.. So bottom line, do I need to junk my www.adserve.com.au site? There is no getting away from what some SEO company has spammed in the past?
And again, using a tool to hunt down these spam links and try to get them removed will tie up my own time that needs to be spent on developing my software and I have no cash to pay people to do this for me. [edited by staff because line breaks weren't showing]0 -
Removing Unnatural Link Penalties
As soon as I began working in my current position at my current company I noticed my predecessor's tendency towards buying link packages from blackhat companies... I knew we were being penalized, and had to prove to him that we needed to halt those campaigns immediately and try our darndest to remove all poison links from the internet. I did convince him and began the process. There was 57% of our backlinks tied to the same anchor phrase with 836 domains linking to the same phrase, same page. Today there are 643 of those links remaining. So I have hit a large number of them, but not nearly enough. So now I am getting messages from Google announcing that our site has been hit with an unnatural link penalty. I haven't really seen the results of this yet in the keywords I am trying to rank for, but fear it will hurt very soon and know that I could be doing better in the meantime. I really don't know what to do next. I've tried the whole "contact the webmasters" technique and maybe have had 1/100 agree to remove our links. They all want money or don't respond.. Do I really need to use this Disavow tool?
White Hat / Black Hat SEO | | jesse-landry
I hear mixed things about it.. Anybody with experience here like to share their stories? Thanks for the moral support!0 -
Should I redirect old pages
I have taken over SEO on a site. The old people built thousands of pages with duplicate content. I am converting site to wordpress and was wondering if I should take the time to 301 redirect all 10,000 or so pages with duplicate content. The 10,000 pages all have links back to different to different pages as well as to the homepage. Should I just let them go to a 404 page not found.
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Why is this ranking first in Google Places for this term....?
"Best Bar In Chicago" - http://www.google.com/search?gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=best+bar+in+chicago They have only 5 Google reviews, and their local directory reviews are suspect. One of them goes to rateclubs.com and it's not even a page for their business, while one of them doesn't have user reviews, it's just an editorial review. The other one at superpages.com doesn't even link back to their site, it links to their restaurants.com profile. What is going on here? I've been trying to figure this out for a while as their first place ranking has been solidified for quite some time now. I can also tell you that a few of the bars listed below them have a MUCH higher profile and are better known. You can see that just by the reviews.
White Hat / Black Hat SEO | | MichaelWeisbaum0