Does anyone experienced to rank a KOREAN Keyword here?

[invechseo]

Hi everyone just a quick question is it working if i rank a korean keyword in google search engine?Any tip and advice on how gain more keyword for this.

[effectdigital]

Search Console's reports (Webmaster Tools) do include SEO data (organic) yes

[invechseo]

Yes I tried to experiment with two sites, the one that i update  weekly cause of serp fluctuating and the second site keeps improving from serp analysis.

Last question: does google webmaster tool performance report comes with real organic result?

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[effectdigital]

Probably because you are operating in a YMYL area and thus Google has to be extra careful, they have to really check your changes before allowing the same rankings to continue. Maybe try not to update too often

[invechseo]

oh i see it give me bit idea.yeah your right i'm experiencing my ranking get removed and then come back again.

[effectdigital]

Usually that depends upon the significance of the edit and how much Google trusts the query-space (or whether it is a YMYL query-space). A lot of people say that gambling sites are YMYL sites

The real question is, do the rankings get removed and then come back again later? Or do they get removed and just stay gone period?

[invechseo]

yes i know that,but  my concern if it is normal that every time i update the page my serp or keyword rank disappear or rank will go down.

[effectdigital]

Unfortunately there are too many variables to analyse this much further. It could be a legal thing where in South Korea, gambling is allowed but only certain South Korean institutions have permission. If you're not one of those suppliers, it may be illegal for people even from South Korea to use your site, which may give them leverage to remove your search results (to stop their citizens from engaging in illegal gambling)

Gambling is allowed there, but it's very tightly regulated. So could it be a law reason you get removed, not a Google reason?

[invechseo]

hi effectdigital my serp  keyword is now reflecting but i saw some awkward things every time i request  my page for manual pages indexed via google webmaster tool my keyword goes rank in top but after 2-7 days my page disappear.

[effectdigital]

No problem buddy just mind how you go, looks like the legal situation revolving around gambling over there is quite complex!

[invechseo]

I should proceed for this mate,thanks for all the assistance you give the right answer . I got some idea where should i start.5 star from you effecdigital

[effectdigital]

I guess the main thing to do, if you are concentrating on giving gambling reviews - would be to focus around the terms that people are searching for right now.

It might not be bad to try for "도박" which transaltes to "gambling", which has (according to Google's keyword planner) - 3,600 average monthly Korean language searches in South Korea

If you want to be more ethical there's keywords like "도박 중독 치료 (260 avg. searches / month, S.Korea)" which is "Gambling Addiction Treatment". If you are reviewing online gambling sites, maybe giving some links and resources to help people suffering from addiction could also be helpful. Reviews are one type of 'advice', so really this is just an expansion of what you are already doing (though it may come with some legal entanglements)

This one is interesting: "단 도박". (480 avg. searches / month, S.Korea). It translates to "sweet gambling". But what does 'sweet' mean? Is it just that people think it's 'pretty sweet', or instead is it a special type of Korean gambling using sweets (confectionery)? Tailoring your content to your market and audience, is incredibly important

Tread carefully. There are lots of keywords like this one "도박 사이트 처벌"  (10 avg. searches / month, S.Korea) - translating to "punishment of gambling sites". There are lots of queries asking about 'cases' (legal assumed) of gambling addiction and gambling punishment. Although the web is free in South Korea, maybe laws on gambling are in fact stricter (needs more research)

Indeed, this keyword "도박 마" - translates to "do not gamble" (1,600 avg. searches / month, S.Korea). This is interesting, is it some kind of cryptic warning? Who knows

This keyword "합법 도박 사이트" translates to "legal gambling site" (140 avg. searches / month, S.Korea) - hinting that not all online gambling, even in South Korea, is legal

I found this which is a very interesting read: https://www.thekoreanlawblog.com/2017/02/koreas-gambling-law.html - mind how you proceed. Very murky waters

[invechseo]

Well sounds good for me.i'm in gambling industry that's why i can make some advertising in google ads. Even though my site is just a reviewing site.But for that case i do appreciate your assistance it would give some good idea.

[effectdigital]

"루비카지노" translates into Ruby Casino according to Google:

https://translate.google.co.uk/?um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&client=tw-ob#auto/en/%EB%A3%A8%EB%B9%84%EC%B9%B4%EC%A7%80%EB%85%B8

Your main difficulty won't be the language, it will be that you are part of the gambling neighborhood, which is one of Google's defined bad neighborhoods

That being said, most of your competitors will be in that same situation, so in a way that's not really a massive problem

There aren't really many people searching for this right now:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%EB%A3%A8%EB%B9%84%EC%B9%B4%EC%A7%80%EB%85%B8

... so you'd have to do something to inspire people to search for the term (as of now, no one really seems to care)

https://d.pr/i/ORTrBM.png

Google doesn't reject the keyword, it's just not really worth anything right now. Google should at least be able to interpret the keyword

[effectdigital]

I haven't had experience with this personally, but I think it could be worth it to try

Firstly you have to entirely separate your view of North and South Korea's 'internet situation' as they are both radically different

North Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_North_Korea

"Connection to the internet in North Korea is done via Naenara, a modified version of Firefox that can access approximately 1,000 to 5,500 websites in the internet. It runs on Red Star OS, a North Korean Linux distribution."

"Nearly all of North Korea's Internet traffic is routed through China."

... so you might think, hmm maybe it will be impossible. As you may know, the most popular search engine in China is Baidu (not Google).  Now I can personally tell you that signing up for Baidu tools (equivalent of Google Search Console) is virtually impossible if you're not native to China. If you can get through the (non-translated) login / setup steps AND provide a Chinese landline number for verification purposes (and collect on that number) you stand a sliver of a chance

I actually once set up one of my own sites on there, it took hours / days to do it. Then - in a few months, I was randomly un-added and removed. The truth is, they don't really want too many Western influences appearing in Chinese search results. Even being seen to promote certain Western ideologies (even if you're not slating or attacking the Chinese state, which I would never do) - you can still be removed 'just like that' with no explanation, no recourse and no means to address the situation (period)

So now you might be thinking, well since almost all of North Korea's internet activity is routed through China, and since Baidu are so impossible to work with - is it really worth even bothering?

There is a small ray of hope: https://dailycaller.com/2018/04/03/most-popular-internet-search-engine-in-north-korea/

Apparently, even though most of North Korea's internet traffic is routed through China, unlike China - North Korean web-users more frequently use Google. So actually the issues surrounding Baidu, aren't so relevant to North Korea

That being said, you might wonder - is there much point in trying to appear on Google's results there, since North Korean users can only access "approximately 1,000 to 5,500 websites in the internet" (a tiny section of the web's true content)

If users in North Korea can type things into Google and your site comes up. but then when users click on your site they are blocked from accessing it (as your site isn't not one of the state-approved 5.5k which are accessible) - then really what's the point?

IMO there's not much you can do here, not many ways to reach people and there are probably better ways to spend your marketing / web / SEO budget

South Korea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_South_Korea

"About 45 million people in South Korea (or 92.4% of the population) use the Internet.The country has the world's fastest average internet connection speed. South Korea has consistently ranked first in the UNICT Development Index since the index's launch. The government established policies and programs that facilitated the rapid expansion and use of broadband."

A completely different situation!

http://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/south-korea

Many people in South Korea have very fast broadband, access to much of the web's contents and they prefer Google over something like Baidu. The key thing is that when someone sees your Google result listed in South Korea, if they click it they are unlikely to be blocked from getting through to you

I'd say that the South Korean market and culture, which has such an involved and socially integrated web-sub-culture, could assuredly be worth targeting. You'd almost assuredly have to translate your keywords into the right language, and even the right alphabet - according to Google Trends which does seem to suggest that people in South Korea primarily search in their own language (not in English):

https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=KR

For North Korea you can't even get to or see similar data: https://trends.google.com/trends/trendingsearches/daily?geo=KP - "Daily search trends are not available for this region. Try a different region"

Keep in mind that in South Korea, many searches happen when people are out and about, in cyber / web cafes etc

Final Thoughts

North Korea is too difficult to penetrate from a search POV, even though Google is their primary search engine. For South Korea it's a different story, their population is very web-accessible and celebrates online / cyber culture. You would have to translate all your keywords into the South Korean alphabet and language, and use Google's Keyword Planner as a guide in terms of average monthly search volumes

I personally wouldn't invest time in trying to reach people in North Korea. I don't have a problem with the North, it's just simply that it is very, very hard to reach them and the cost of doing so would probably out-weight the potential financial gains

For South Korea, it's different - I'd certainly have a go