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might have to check out that mozbar ! I am surprised not for the first time I guess. I am trying to think how they efficiently make the 301 redirect. Of course php or something can redirect as a 301 silly me. It must be friday.

Appologies Ryan - it was caribbeandiving.com I am sorry. It says there is no data. This site is around for years and they cleverly dont link out to anyone all their links are dead ! So everyone enters thinking they are getting linked out and so the site has links inbound galore, but then they switch off the links and they are dead ends in their site. This site ranks No 1 for many search queries on my niche.

Ok thanks for your thoughts I did read your footer links post a bit ago.  I nofollowed  as these footer links sit on every single site page ! This could be see to harm these linked sites ? We are not sure.

The converted or shortened url as you say gets routed to the old url but I doubt very much if it is possible to 301 redirect this.
I say this because I know of only 2 ways to redirect (if there are others I would like to know !)

1. htaccess - cant be modified on the fly and the resources to do this would not make this viable for shortening as we know it.

2. in the head of the webpage html a redirect can be a 301.

I suspect the shorteners are just launching a new url in the same window which matches a database  value which gets set, so their domains hijack each request via a standard script check for a match against the database and simply redirect using the stored 'original long url'

I cant see this being a good idea for SEO purposes. Just make the press releases into nice titles which work with your CMS to get some long tail searches.

I see an abundance of websites that don't link out at all, and there is no data available to seoMoz for the sites, some like http:// regal - diving dot com (trying not to get moderated AGAIN Innocent need to show which link and its a competitor kind of) are not linking to anyone else just internal links.

1. How come they dont show info to SEOMOZ

2. Should I link out from home page, is this detrimental does ANY single link from home page show google that I am not a PROPER web business.

thanks

I just set up footers that are on every page to nofollow sites that I care about because otherwise they get thousands of pages linking all from the same domain - this can't be good for the actual site.
I then made a single link to the sites I care about which is followable. I am hoping this is a good strategy. Sorry to digress from the original interesting topic.