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Hi,

It reverted back to my listing my new sites name instead of my old sites name a day later,  no change in SEO position,  just the name of the Site listed changed.

Anyway how are your tests going?  do you think I can safely do a 301 or should I just leave it the way it currently is...

thanks,

Hi,

Thank you, upon

-1- changing the content ( of the OLDSites main page  ), which was almost an exact copy of the newsites main page and
-2- also removing the noindex on the oldsites main page and then
-3- doing the good fetch, submit ( on both OldSite and New Site ) and then
-4- resubmitting my NewSite sitemap.

Viola just checked and both sites main pages are now back in the google index.  what I have noticed so is this.. The OldSite Url which now currently only has a main page to is is ranking #6 for my main kw,  and the NewSites main page even thought its in the index doing a site: isn't ranking at the moment..

Ideally I would like to just do a permanent redirect on the OldSite to the NewSite, but as said before I had never done that because of a manual link penality which was placed against the OldSites main page,  the penailtiy has since been removed and I have also tried to clean up and spammy links using disavow.  Do you think it is safe to do a redirect or should I wait a bit...

I guess it was like you had said google had automatically thought that my new sites main page was actually a redirect from my old sites page because as the two pages were 99% the same.,   and as such ranked my newsite well using I think some push from my oldsite.  The fact that this is no longer occuring and my oldsite is ranking well makes me think that it might be safe to manually do the redirect as we thought google was doing for us..

Please let me know what you think?

Thanks,

An Update!!

I have just noticed something else interesting..   within my GWT sitemap section (new Site ) it shows 9 URLs being submitted yet only 8 URL being indexed, the one missing from the indexing is my homepage.   I have updated the last  modified date of the sitemap as they were in the past and have resubmitted the index, I have also resubmitted the one main page itself using the "Fetch as Google" -> Submit to Index Option.

I have also changed the contents of the main page on my newsite so thats its now less of a duplicate then that of the oldsite's new mainpage.

BTW its to bad that when Submitted pages to the index are not indexed via the sitemap that google doesn't give you the reason.  According to google there are no errors in my sitemap..

Hello,

Thank you, you are correct, and thank you for the response, for which I have responded back, not sure if you have received it..

Anyway its really strange, within a week after I added the to the oldsite then the new sites main page also disappeared...  I would really like to get this new sites main page back in the google index...

Hi,

thank you so much for offering to look at the site,  I tried to send you a private message via moz, and it doesn't work, it can't find you even thought I'm on your profile page and click on "Private Message this User".

Hello,

Thank you for your reply,

-1- Yes it appears as if both sites main pages have disappeared from the google index, if I do a site:mynewsite the main page is nowhere to be found,  however I'm able to see the other pages from the newsite there.

-2- I have checked and actually my newsite doesn't even contain a robots.txt and I have also verified the contents of my newsite main page tomain sure that it doesn't contain a

-3- Hi,  no url removal of either site,    I did however disavow some links a couple of weeks back, but I have once again looked through my disavow list that I uploaded and made sure that I hadn't disavowed anything from either of the main sites, which woun;t have but just wanted to double check.

-4- I have asked Google to fetch my newsites main page via webmaster tools,

Should I remove the from my oldsite main page and perhaps do a Google fetch on this page also, just incase something is carrying over?

thanks once again for all your time and great advice..

Hi,

It appears as if the oldsite is no longer in google's index and that the has done wonders as far as that is concerned.  However it now also appears as if my newsites main page is also no longer in googles index..   my newsites subpages are still in the index but its main page is no longer.  I'm hoping that this might just be a temporary problem in googles index while they are doing a refresh or something...  , I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Any suggestions should I just wait it out and see if it comes back or is there something I should manually be doing to get my newsites main page back in googles index.

Yes, I think that's what must have happened, GWT doesn't show any manual actions.

Hi,

Around June 6th, 2014 my google traffic took a sudden hit for my landing pages main keyword., my page jumped from pos 8 page 1 to page 20+,

thanks,

Thank you very much for the lengthy great explanation.  I am doing what you have suggested and I will report back shortly..

Thank you..

Hi,

Thank you for your reply.  The old site was a completely different structure then the new site,  the only thing the now have is a common main landing page on the old site which looks the same as the main landing page on the new site.  the only difference being that the navigation buttons on the OLDsite are pointing to the sections on the newsite using a nofollow,  I have also since added a

<meta name="<a class="attribute-value">googlebot</a>" content="<a class="attribute-value">noindex, nofollow</a>">

The reason for the original penalty was unnatural inbound links as below:

""
Specifically, look for possibly artificial or unnatural links pointing to your site that could be intended to manipulate PageRank. Examples of unnatural linking could include buying links to pass PageRank or participating in link schemes.
""

This action is no longer being reported, and in the past I had tried to clean the site up, but kept getting my reconsideration requests refused.

Upon looking in my new sites GWT I noticed that a lot of the spammy links which once pointed to my old site are now being listed within new sites linking to you section and termed "Via intermediate Site",  upon suggestion I included the : <meta name="<a class="attribute-value">googlebot</a>" content="<a class="attribute-value">noindex, nofollow</a>">, and upon waiting several more days I will also start to disallow indexing via the robots.txt file.

Around the 6th of Jun, 2014 I noticed my inbound traffic declined, at that point my main landing page for my new site dropped from position 7 page to page 11, and now several days later I can't seem to find a listing for my main page within the first 20 pages.  so somethings up.? I am seeing other pages from my site being indexed, but my main page is not found for my main KW.  If I sear the company name then my main landing page comes right up.

I'm hoping that once I get rid of those "via intermediate site": links that things will start to resolved themselves.?

what do you think? any advise would be appreciated.  thanks,

thanks,

Hi,

Thank you for your reply, I'm sorry for complicating things..

Is there a way to safely forward users from oldsite to newsite without passing juice from oldsite to newsite and getting rid of the "via intermediate site" warnings?

I've also added the page to the robots.txt file, hopefully doing this will accomplish what I want..

i.e.

User-Agent: *
Disallow: /index.html

Hi,

thank you for the reply, I am probably not explaining my situation correctly..

I have one following:

-1- two completed different sites, oldsite.com, newsite..com
-2- I don't care about losing any of the link juice from the oldsite.com, I just don't want to risk any of the bad links from the oldsite.com transferring over to the newsite.com
-3- I have created a duplicate landing page for the oldsite.com which looks like the newsite.com landing page, and buttons that get clicked on the oldsite.com landing page point to the appropriate page within the newsite.com. I am using nofollow links. and I also have canonical set between the oldsite.com and newsite.com landing page.
-4- GWT is showing me lots of "via intermediate site: spammy links from oldsite.com on the newsites GWT.

What can I do to reverse this?  should I just start a massive disavow process from oldsite.com links or is there a way for me to better construct the transition from the user landing on oldsite.com and clicking on a navigation button which takes them to newsite.com

okay,  great,  can you tell me how I can prevent and get rid of this "Via intermediate Site" links from being displayed in my new sites web master tools..

is nofollow not working when I'm linking buttons on my oldsites main page to sections on my newsites domain.  How should I go about doing this as I don't want these two sites to be connected SEO wise, but I still need to be able to present the user with an easy way to get from the old site to the new site when they type in the company name..

is there anything else I need to add or do to accomplish this..

thanks, and does this really mean I kno longer have a manual penalty on the old site..?

Hi,

a couple of years  ( 2012 )upon contacting google I was notified that I had a manual penalty against my site for unnatural links, Today I just checked the WMT->Search Traffic-->Manual Actions and it says "No Manual WebSpam Actions Found",  is this right and I no longer have a penality or is this misinformation?

thanks,

Hello,

Thank you for the detailed response..  The new site is completely different in all aspects then the old site.  I have also just replaced the old site with ONE page and all pages from the old site being redirected to that ONE Page on the old site.

The oldsite's main page contains several buttons at the top, i.e. About us, Gallery etc,  each one of these buttons is linked to the appropriate subdirectory of the new site: using a nofollow,

Can you recommend the best approach ,  I'm not even sure if this is the reason for the SEO drop, but if it isn't I'm sure it will be shortly so I figured I would address it..

I made a change on the new site several weeks back via iis where I just redirected all mynewsite.com traffic to www.mynewsite.com

I also just logged into GWT->Search Traffic->Manual Actions and am presented with the message "No manual webspam actions found." on both sites,  which I find strange on the old site because back in 2012 when I contacted google they told me a manual penality had been invoked due to unnatural link patterns. Does this Manual Actions work?

Hi,

I don't care about transferring any of link juice over to the new site, whether good or bad,  I just can't create yet another site using another newdomain name.  I need to stay with the newsitedomain name that I am currently using.  what would you recommend:

-1- removing the canonical name and also doing a disavow of the bad links from the old site?

-2- leave the canonical name and just do the disavow on the old site domain name

-3- something else?

thanks,

Hi,

if that's the case then what should I do as I don't want those spammy links to effect me, bringing down my new sites SEO position?  do I just remove the canoncal and let the main page be seen as a duplicate content to the main page of my new site or slightly change the content of the old site that is linking to the newsite using "nofollow"

in addition should I be submitting a exclusion list of the spammy urls?

thanks,

Hi,

-1- I have an old site which had a manual spam action placed against it several years ago,  this is the corporate site and unfortunately has its name placed on all business cards etc,  therefore I am unable to get rid of this site entirely..

-2- I created a brand new site with a new domain name for which white hat SEO marketing has been done and very little of it...   everything was doing well up until last week when I dropped from bottom of page one to top of page 11 for my keyword in question.

-3- I changed the old sites ( the one with the manual spam action ) to mimic the look of the FIRST PAGE of the new domain I am using, and I have the main menu items on this first page linked to the appropriate sections within the new domain site, i.e  About US etc.  On this page I'm the following:

<link rel="<a class="attribute-value">canonical</a>" href="[http://www.mynewsite.com](view-source:http://www.norsteelbuildings.ca/)" />

and am linking as such: 

<li><a href="http://www.mynewsite.com/about/" class="" rel="<a class="attribute-value">nofollow</a>">ABOUT USa>li>

 using this approach I was hoping that I was doing the correct and not passing along any link juice good or bad however when I view the "Webmaster Tools->Links to your site" I find 1000+ links from my old site and then when I click on it I see all the spammy links that my old site got banned for pointing to my old site and accompanied by a header "Via this imtermediate Link>myoldSite.com".

Can someone please sehd some light on what I should e doing or if even these link are effecting my new site,  something is telling me there are but how do I resolve this issue..

Thanks in advance.. 
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