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Thanks.  I'm hoping the next Penguin refresh shows improvement.  The consensus seems to be that to recover from a Penguin penalty is a matter of the refresh happens to see any changes.

Yeah, on page seo wise I think we are good. My site blogs regularly about the niche area it's in and news related to it, also try to make it interesting, but yes seo wise I think it passes all the tests too - someone from Google's forums checked it out and thought it looked good seo wise as well as a online marketing company I just worked with that was trying to help my site out of any penalties.  They also ran some checks on competitors websites and their online tactics, etc.

Some of  the top rankings in our keyword is actually sites like Amazon and Office Depot - which might be a common trend now anyways.

For links the seo company did an analysis and  I also added whatever I found that looked like shady directories or anchor text heavy links.   I also checked out websites or ranks and if they came  on Google's searches when typing their name.  Anything questionable I disavowed as it seems now better safe than sorry with backlinks.

Thanks for those links. I'm gonna take a look through them. I also thought about being followed by the penalty I guess it makes sense since technically Google may notice a site from the same ip and google accounts being linked between a new and old site, etc.   I guess basically if a penalty can be overcome that would be the ideal situation.

Anyone think recovery is possible?

My site has been in Google limbo for the past 8 months to around a year or so.    Like a lot of sites we had seo work done a while sgo and had tons of links that Google now looks down on.

I worked with an seo company for a few months now and they seem to agree Penguin is the likely culprit, we are on page 8-10 for keywords that we used to be on page 1 for.  Our site is informative and has everything in tact.

We deleted whatever links possible and some sites are even hard to find contact information for and some sites want money, I paid a few a couple bucks in hopes maybe it could help the process.

Anyway we now have around 600 something domains on disavow file we  out up in March-April, with around 100 or 200 added recently as well.  If need be a new site could be an option as well but will wait and see if the site can improve on Google with a refresh.

Anyone think recovery is possible in a situation like this?

Thanks

What is more advisable, though there surely could be debate on this?

Back in '07 till sometime around a year ago it seems our site got hit by google's updates, no manual action though, and have seen in past few months disavowed what we could find as well as deleted a lot of links.  We are also working on getting word out on the brand as well and trying to get on some business websites to have articles and offer some discounts.

Our keyword rankings seem stuck in limbo the past year or so though. Some main keywords for example seem stuck around page 8 when they used to be on page 1.

Question is, can what seems to be a penguin update be recovered from?   Is Google likely to refresh the algorithm?    Also could starting a new site be more worth the investment - starting fresh with natural links, etc And if googles system could pick up that the site is run from same ip, etc.  would they care?

Also the keyword competition one of Moz's tools said around 46% if that makes a difference for one of the main keywords.

Thanks