Moz Q&A is closed.
After more than 13 years, and tens of thousands of questions, Moz Q&A closed on 12th December 2024. Whilst we’re not completely removing the content - many posts will still be possible to view - we have locked both new posts and new replies. More details here.
Crawl solutions for landing pages that don't contain a robots.txt file?
-
My site (www.nomader.com) is currently built on Instapage, which does not offer the ability to add a robots.txt file. I plan to migrate to a Shopify site in the coming months, but for now the Instapage site is my primary website. In the interim, would you suggest that I manually request a Google crawl through the search console tool? If so, how often? Any other suggestions for countering this Meta Noindex issue?
-
No problem Tom. Thanks for the additional info — that is helpful to know.
-
Bryan,
I’m glad that you found what you where looking for.
I must have missed the part about it being 100% Instapage when you said CMS I thought meant something on else with instapage I think of it as landing pages not a CMS
I want to help so you asked about Google search console how often you need to request google index your site.
First make sure
You should have 5 urls in Google search console
your domain, http://www. , http:// , https://www. & https://
- nomader.com
- https://www.nomader.com
- https://nomader.com
- http;//www.nomader.com
- http://nomader.com
you should not have to requests google index once you’re pages are in googles index. There is no time line to make you need to requests google index.
Use search consoles index system to see if you need to make a request and look for notifications
Times you should request google crawl when adding new unlinked pages , when making big changes to your site , whatever adding pages with out a xml sitemap or fixing problems / testing.
I want to help so as you said you’re going to be using Shopify.
Just before you go live running on Shopify in the future you should make a xml sitemap of the Instapage site
You can do it for free using https://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/seo-spider/
you’re running now name it /sitemap_ip.xml or /sitemap2.xml upload it to Shopify
& make sure it’s not the same name so it will work with your Shopify xml sitemap /sitemap.xml
submit the /sitemap._ip.xml to search console then add the Shopify /sitemap.xml
You can run multiple xml sitemaps as long as they are not overlapping
just remember never add non-200 page, 404s, 300sno flow , no index or redirects to a xml sitemap ScreamingFrog will ask if you want to when you’re making the sitemap.
Shopify will make its own xml sitemaps and and having the current site as a second xml sitemap will help to make sure your change to the site will not hurt the intipage par of the Shopify site
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/34592?hl=en
know adding a XML Sitemap is a smart move
I hope that was of help I’m so about miss what you meant.
respectfully,
Tom
-
Thanks so much for your thoughtful, detailed response. That answers my question.
-
Bryan,
If I understand your intent, you want your pages indexed. I see that your site has 5 pages indexed (/, /help, /influencers, /wholesale, /co-brand). And that you have some other pages (e.g. /donations), which are not indexed, but these have "noindex" tags explicitly in their HEAD sections.
Not having a robots.txt file is equal to having a robots.txt file with a directive to allow crawling of all pages. This is per http://www.robotstxt.org/orig.html, where they say "The presence of an empty "/robots.txt" file has no explicit associated semantics, it will be treated as if it was not present, i.e. all robots will consider themselves welcome."
So, if you have no robots.txt file, the search engine will feel free to crawl everything it discovers, and then whether or not it indexes those pages will be guided by presence or absence of NOINDEX tags in your HEAD sections. From a quick browse of your site and its indexed pages, this seems to be working properly.
Note that I'm referencing a distinction between "crawling" and "indexing". The robots.txt file provides directives for crawling (i.e. access discovered pages, and discovering pages linked to those). Whereas the meta robots tags in the head provide directives for indexing (i.e. including the discovered pages in search index and displaying those as results to searchers). And in this context, absence of a robots.txt file simply allows the search engine to crawl all of your content, discover all linked pages, and then rely on meta robots directives in those pages for any guidance on whether or not to index those pages it finds.
As for a sitemap, while they are helpful for monitoring indexation, and also provide help to search engines to discover all desired pages, in your case it doesn't look especially necessary. Again, I only took a quick look, but it seems you have your key pages all linked from your home page, and you have meta directives in pages you wish to keep out of the index. And you have a very small number of pages. So, it looks like you are meeting your crawl and indexation desires.
-
Hi Tom,
Unfortunately, Instapage is a proprietary CMS that does not currently support robots.txt or site maps. Instapage is primarily built for landing pages, and not actual websites so that's their reasoning for not adding SEO support for basics like robots.txt and site maps.
Thanks anyway for your help.
Best,
-Bryan
-
hi
so I see the problem now
https://www.nomader.com/robots.txt
Does not have a robots.txt file upload it to the root of your server or specific place where Developer and/or CMS / Hosting company recommends I could not figure out what to type of CMS you’re useing if you’re using one
make a robots.txt file using
http://tools.seobook.com/robots-txt/generator/
https://www.internetmarketingninjas.com/seo-tools/robots-txt-generator/exportrobots.php
https://moz.com/learn/seo/robotstxt
It will look like this below.
User-Agent: *
Disallow:Sitemap: https://www.nomader.com/sitemap.xml
it looks like you’re using Java for your website?
https://builtwith.com/detailed/nomader.com
I am guessing you’re not using a subdomain to host the Landing Pages?
If you are using a subdomain you would have to create a robots.txt file for that but from everything I can see you’re using your regular domain. So you would simply create these files ( i’m in a car on a cell phone so I did quick to see check if you have a XML site map file but I do think you do
https://www.nomader.com/sitemap.xml
You can purchase a tool called Screaming Frog SEO spider if your site is over 500 pages you will need to pay for it it’s approximately $200 however you will be able to create a wonderful site map you can also create a XML site map by googling xml sitemap generators. However I would recommend Screaming Prod because you can separate the images and it’s a very good tool to have.
Because you will need to generate a new site map whenever you update your site or add Landing Pages it will be done using screaming frog and uploaded to the same place in the server. Unless you can create a dynamic sitemap using whatever website of the infrastructure structure using.
Here are the directions to add your site Google Search Console / Google Webmaster Tools
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/34592?hl=en
If you need any help with any of this please do not hesitate to ask I am more than happy to help you can also generate a site map in the old version of Google Webmaster Tools / Google Search Console.
Hope this helps,
Tom
-
Thanks for the reply Thomas. Where do you see that my site has the robots.txt file? As far as I can tell, it is missing. Instapage does not offer robots.txt as I mentioned in my post. Here's a community help page of theirs where this question was asked and answered: https://help.instapage.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/213622968-Sitemap-and-Robotx-txt
So in the absence of having a robots.txt file, I guess the only way to counter this is to manually request a fetch/index from Google console? How often do you recommend I do this?
-
You don’t need to worry about instapage & robot.txt your site has the robots.txt & instapage is not set to no index.
so yes use google search console to fetch / index the pages it’s very easy if you read the help information I posted below
https://help.instapage.com/hc/en-us#
hope that helps,
Tom
-
If you cannot turn off “Meta Noindex“ you cannot fix it with robots.txt I suggest you contact the developer of the Instapage landing pages app. If it’s locked to no index as you said that is the only of for countering a pre coded by the company Meta Noindex issue?
I will look into this for you I bet that you can change it but not via robots.txt. I
will update it in the morning for you.
All the best,
Tom
Got a burning SEO question?
Subscribe to Moz Pro to gain full access to Q&A, answer questions, and ask your own.
Browse Questions
Explore more categories
-
Moz Tools
Chat with the community about the Moz tools.
-
SEO Tactics
Discuss the SEO process with fellow marketers
-
Community
Discuss industry events, jobs, and news!
-
Digital Marketing
Chat about tactics outside of SEO
-
Research & Trends
Dive into research and trends in the search industry.
-
Support
Connect on product support and feature requests.
Related Questions
-
Does anyone know the linking of hashtags on Wix sites does it negatively or postively impact SEO. It is coming up as an error in site crawls 'Pages with 404 errors' Anyone got any experience please?
Does anyone know the linking of hashtags on Wix sites does it negatively or positively impact SEO. It is coming up as an error in site crawls 'Pages with 404 errors' Anyone got any experience please? For example at the bottom of this blog post https://www.poppyandperle.com/post/face-painting-a-global-language the hashtags are linked, but they don't go to a page, they go to search results of all other blogs using that hashtag. Seems a bit of a strange approach to me.
Technical SEO | | Mediaholix0 -
Google has deindexed a page it thinks is set to 'noindex', but is in fact still set to 'index'
A page on our WordPress powered website has had an error message thrown up in GSC to say it is included in the sitemap but set to 'noindex'. The page has also been removed from Google's search results. Page is https://www.onlinemortgageadvisor.co.uk/bad-credit-mortgages/how-to-get-a-mortgage-with-bad-credit/ Looking at the page code, plus using Screaming Frog and Ahrefs crawlers, the page is very clearly still set to 'index'. The SEO plugin we use has not been changed to 'noindex' the page. I have asked for it to be reindexed via GSC but I'm concerned why Google thinks this page was asked to be noindexed. Can anyone help with this one? Has anyone seen this before, been hit with this recently, got any advice...?
Technical SEO | | d.bird0 -
2 sitemaps on my robots.txt?
Hi, I thought that I just could link one sitemap from my site's robots.txt but... I may be wrong. So, I need to confirm if this kind of implementation is right or wrong: robots.txt for Magento Community and Enterprise ...
Technical SEO | | Webicultors
Sitemap: http://www.mysite.es/media/sitemap/es.xml
Sitemap: http://www.mysite.pt/media/sitemap/pt.xml Thanks in advance,0 -
Should I block Map pages with robots.txt?
Hello, I have a website that was started in 1999. On the website I have map pages for each of the offices listed on my site, for which there are about 120. Each of the 120 maps is in a whole separate html page. There is no content in the page other than the map. I know all of the offices love having the map pages so I don't want to remove the pages. So, my question is would these pages with no real content be hurting the rankings of the other pages on our site? Therefore, should I block the pages with my robots.txt? Would I also have to remove these pages (in webmaster tools?) from Google for blocking by robots.txt to really work? I appreciate your feedback, thanks!
Technical SEO | | imaginex0 -
Google insists robots.txt is blocking... but it isn't.
I recently launched a new website. During development, I'd enabled the option in WordPress to prevent search engines from indexing the site. When the site went public (over 24 hours ago), I cleared that option. At that point, I added a specific robots.txt file that only disallowed a couple directories of files. You can view the robots.txt at http://photogeardeals.com/robots.txt Google (via Webmaster tools) is insisting that my robots.txt file contains a "Disallow: /" on line 2 and that it's preventing Google from indexing the site and preventing me from submitting a sitemap. These errors are showing both in the sitemap section of Webmaster tools as well as the Blocked URLs section. Bing's webmaster tools are able to read the site and sitemap just fine. Any idea why Google insists I'm disallowing everything even after telling it to re-fetch?
Technical SEO | | ahockley0 -
Robots.txt to disallow /index.php/ path
Hi SEOmoz, I have a problem with my Joomla site (yeah - me too!). I get a large amount of /index.php/ urls despite using a program to handle these issues. The URLs cause indexation errors with google (404). Now, I fixed this issue once before, but the problem persist. So I thought, instead of wasting more time, couldnt I just disallow all paths containing /index.php/ ?. I don't use that extension, but would it cause me any problems from an SEO perspective? How do I disallow all index.php's? Is it a simple: Disallow: /index.php/
Technical SEO | | Mikkehl0 -
Subdomain Removal in Robots.txt with Conditional Logic??
I would like to see if there is a way to add conditional logic to the robots.txt file so that when we push from DEV to PRODUCTION and the robots.txt file is pushed, we don't have to remember to NOT push the robots.txt file OR edit it when it goes live. My specific situation is this: I have www.website.com, dev.website.com and new.website.com and somehow google has indexed the DEV.website.com and NEW.website.com and I'd like these to be removed from google's index as they are causing duplicate content. Should I: a) add 2 new GWT entries for DEV.website.com and NEW.website.com and VERIFY ownership - if I do this, then when the files are pushed to LIVE won't the files contain the VERIFY META CODE for the DEV version even though it's now LIVE? (hope that makes sense) b) write a robots.txt file that specifies "DISALLOW: DEV.website.com/" is that possible? I have only seen examples of DISALLOW with a "/" in the beginning... Hope this makes sense, can really use the help! I'm on a Windows Server 2008 box running ColdFusion websites.
Technical SEO | | ErnieB0