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    • BrandLabs
      BrandLabs last edited by

      I noticed Moosejaw was adding quite a bit of content to the bottom of category pages via a div tag that makes use of a scroll bar. Could a site be penalized by Google for this technique?

      Example: http://www.moosejaw.com/moosejaw/shop/search_Patagonia-Clothing____

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      • wasimashraf30
        wasimashraf30 last edited by

        I see this question has been answered years back from now. But what's the importance of this issue in today's world.

        I just got a client's website and he want to add SEO optimized content in the scroll bar at the bottom of the page. I don't know if that's a spam or not. Can you please suggest me.

        I'm eager to get a proper answer.

        website is: www (dot) zdhsales (dot) com

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        • KT684
          KT684 @BrandLabs last edited by

          I've actually wondered the same before. To the best of my knowledge I've never heard anyone cite overflow: auto; as a negative signal compared to the amount of press display: none; text-indent: -9999px; etc. gets.  It very well could be abused just as badly though.  The only way I could think of an abuse-check would be to weigh the amount of text in the corresponding div against what a practical min-height of that div should be, but that seems a bit excessive.

          I agree with Steven, it's come to a point where these css techniques have very legitimate uses and probably shouldn't be penalized.  Plus, there's plenty of other ways to accomplish the same thing, whether it's document tree manipulation or any other kind of rendering of a page after the crawable URL has been loaded. So at what point is it worth fighting such a thing?

          edit: on a side note, what's the deal with those crazy underscores at the end of the URL? yuck.

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          • StevenMapes
            StevenMapes @AdoptionHelp last edited by

            Do Google actually still penalised Overflow:Hidden and Display:none though still, or just off screen placement such as left:-9999px?  If they do its something that I'm sure will be changed as its commonly used for "div switching" through navigational menu's and tabs (for display:none at least).

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            • BrandLabs
              BrandLabs last edited by

              Thank you for the response Ryan.  Although the site is not outwardly "hiding" the copy, from a usability standpoint this method does not seem to carry much if any value to the person visiting the page.  I figured Google would see this as a lame attempt at search engine bate and frown upon the practice.

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              • AdoptionHelp
                AdoptionHelp last edited by

                To the best of my knowledge this has no impact on SEO. Googlebot doesn't like it when you hide content, but that only applies to overflow:hidden and display:none as far as I know.

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