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Thanks Ryan - can you advise how you know if it's a manual or algo penalty ?

To make the whole google thing even more confusing, many sites are getting hit with no message. So, if you don't have the message, you may well still have been penalised.

Absolute carnage and the serps have gone back to the stone age. Google has well and truly lost it.

Yeah, I'll have a look, thanks. The problem is this, I manage over 100 sites, 2 have received the dreaded warning - they have a small amount of spam I admit, others have more. None of the sites I manage have even 30% links spam. Simply impossible to know what google considers spam. I guess that means it has to be 100% white hat, but we all know that many will continue to test the boundaries, and do it successfully> Point is, the rules of the game have never been clear,  and personally, i think there's a big ppc agenda at google.

Thanks Rand, how do you define "non-editorially" acquired - some forums are saying that guest blogging is now spam. Google needs to make it much clearer, are reciprocal links allowed, if so, what proportion etc etc. No doubt they won't and you would say go white hat only, but many seo's are faced with the dilemma and that's they don't want to be black hat, but what is safe anymore. Apart from sites like your fantastic one, many face a huge dilemma, clients want results, and results means rankings ......

In short, it changes everything - a complete game changer. Shows google means business. That' fair enough, but the fcat is that there a huge number of clearly paid for links and clearly recip links that google still seems to classify as natural. They should make it clear - if say 20% of your links are clearly unnatural, or more, then you get a warning, if it then goes up to 40% a small penalty and so on. Google instead plays the game, and plays with people's sites and their livelihoods.

Seo just became a lot harder and more expensive and uncertain. This may well mean people instead favour ppc. Funny that, because who benefits from ppc - you got it, google !

Thanks for answering but not sure what your point is ....

The point I am making is that as google decides what's natural and what's not, what's trustworthy and what's not, and has decided that over a million websites so far are now not trustworthy, do the Moz analyitics or other link in this new landscape mean anything ?

You may say that google is cleaning house (or maybe simply pushing ppc ? by making seo uncertain and more expensive), but this has turned seo on it's head for the vast majority of non-brand sites, and those in niches where links are hard to come by, no matter how much effort is put in.

Whilst there have been quite a few q & a's and one or two posts on the blog about the google onslaught on "unnatural" links, with over 1 million sites impacted I'm surprised Moz hasn't said more about this.

With google now muddying the waters even further about what is natural or not (with due respect to Moz, if you're not a brand like Moz, the vast majority of seo's buy some links one way or the other) with all the uncertainty, how is it now possible to trust any metrics about links ?

In essence, does Domain Rank and Domain Trust now mean anything in the new google world and can they be relied upon ?

No doubt someone will come back and say that a lot don't buy any links. Fair enough but the reality is that most do some kind of deals for links, writing in niches like law it is very difficult to get people to share content. Simply a fact.

The Serps are in a mess. Google has replaced many decent sites who played the game to one degree or another, with a lot of sites that are worthless, not bothering with links or content,, so rising by default ! Directory sites seem to be doing better again, because, you guessed it, they are brands like yell.

Similar story here, got lots of sites, got warning ion 2 I least expected, was using some article blogs a while back, but only as part of a wider link profile. No penalty from warning, am hoping it's just a wake up call. Wish things were clearer, google needs to be more transparent.Fixing anything they don't like is also ridiculously difficult.

I have just had the same issue on 9 of my blogs, deindexed, hardly any outgoing links, no interlinking at all. Google is getting ridiculous, it's the fact you don't know where you stand that's the worst of it.

Thanks that's helpful, I don't normally have dupe content so will check but dupe content doesn't usually mean de-listing in my experience. when you say similar template, my sites are on standard w/p 2011, what's wrong with that, thousands of sites like that ....

Still doesn't add up to me ...other sites with lots more content and definitely original also effected - your comments on http://www.courtservices.org.uk/ would really be appreciated.

Thanks for your input so far also.

Not on analytics these sites, putting them on tonight for reconsideration. happy to let you have a look at a couple, not much content on sites yet, but it's original, on topic and I can find no reason why they have been de-indexed as per my first post. help appreciated.

These are 2 of the sites :-

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I have a portfolio of blogs, and have just had 9 de-indexed by google. What worries me more than anything else is that :-

1. there is no interlinking whatsoever

2. content is all unique and on topic

3. most have no outbound links

This is truly bizarre - you stick to the rules and get de-indexed ! Has anyone else had a similar issue, advice or comments as I am truly perplexed.

Thanks

Think something is wrong with page authority metrics also, they are all over the place on my sites. Is something up Moz'ers ?

In exactly the same situation, may be something to do with requesting the same report a few times because it didn't come through first time ? Looks like it's close to being fixed though by the Moz team.

Hi Carin

Not being difficult but pushed for time, can you not simply access my account and have a look yourself ?

Thanks & Regards

Just checked, still no change with the pending reports at my end.

Thanks

Have raised the same issue in another thread, and others are also having the same prob, Rand has personally answered that saying it is being dealt with, but as of now, it is still behaving strangely. Reports I ordered days ago and a few this morning are still "pending", another I ordered 5 mins ago, came through straight away. This is odd ....

Just checked, some have completed, others still pending that I ordered about 48 hours ago.

What time is it there ? Do you sleep ? you're crazier than me !

Regards

Thanks Rand, I am sure I speak for the others with this problem when I say many thanks for personally looking at this. As always, excellent service.

Just to be clear, does this mean that the pending reports clogging up my downloads will be cancelled or automatically generated ? Not received any of them yet.

Warm regards

looks like this is a significant issue - anyone from Moz listening ?

BTW your attached report is EXACTLY what I am also getting, loads of "pending".

Have to say I agree 100%. I love SEOMoz but the new OSE is a problem, and it doesn't seem to be being taken seriously. I asked Rand about this via twitter last night, was reluctant to do so, have also emailed the helpdesk, but still the same problem today. the old method, perhaps more basic of downloading yourself to xl, worked. Paying a lot for a subscription service that doesn't work is annoying.

C'mon Moz, sort it please 1

Have to say I agree 100%. I love SEOMoz but the new OSE is a problem, and it doesn't seem to be being taken seriously. I asked Rand about this via twitter last night, was reluctant to do so, have also emailed the helpdesk, but still the same problem today. the old method, perhaps more basic of downloading yourself to xl, worked. Paying a lot for a subscription service that doesn't work is annoying.

C'mon Moz, sort it please 1

Ordered 5 reports last 24 hours, none received. Anyone else with this problem ? I do expect better from an expensive subscription. C'mon Moz, fix this new OSE report system please.

Mine is working now and very fast, so hopefully yours will be soon.

Is there still a problem with the new OSE anyone ? I am not receiving the csv reports I am ordering via OSE.

Since the rollout of the new OSE the many sites i run are indicating a huge loss of links overnight. is there an issue with OSE, either before or after the update or am I missing something ?

Thanks