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I have mentioned this a number of times but will rgab the opportunity and say it again.Nobody can fix google's algorith, not even Google itself. It's out of their hands, always was, always will be. The past already shows, that their algorithm gets a lot of things wrong and penalized small biz and ranks spam high, you all got examples of that. They are already bad at identifying machines or humans.

Assuming they will go for keyprhases such as Marie Haynes is a writer for example.com...", or "Visit my website at example.com" is simply impossible, for thishappen 99.9% of the guest post authorship tag must include the same keyphrase which i doubt. I find more likely to devalue for example ALL authorship links or even anything with /blog/ in its url, but for that to happen it would mean that 99% of the blogs have the same phrasing which I doubt.

If you are wondering how they will try to minimise that, my pov is that they will take into account a couple things such as 1)frequency of posts, 2) how many of these posts are original content and 3)OBL which to my surprise noone mentions here.

Matt refers to spam sites that are there for link selling purposes. If you follow his tweets and his latest activities you would know he is after the private blog networks advertised on the most popular black hat forum on the internet. What does that mean? that the algorithm cant track them thus he is trying to figure it out manually.

Black Hat SEO is the art of making a machines work to look like it has been done by a lot of humans. Google's job on the other site is to find out who's the human and who's the machine. Google gets better at identifying machines, so the SEO industry gets better at mimicking human behaviour. Guest Blog is an area that got abused but trust me there is a difference having a guest blog on a PR5 site, with unique content and 1-2 links and a total OBL of less than 30 than a guest blog of 500 words with 3 EM ancor links on high competitive keyprhases and roughly 20 comments with link in them. Then again in this case OBL would explode so why would you want a link like that anyway? You lose the value thus wasting money, time and resources.

Everything lies in the last paragraph of the post

"I just want to highlight that a bunch of low-quality or spam sites have latched on to “guest blogging” as their link-building strategy, and we see a lot more spammy attempts to do guest blogging. "

Hope that helps!

if Matt Cutts said it, that means it works.

Joke aside, guest blogging is not bad but getting links ONLY from guest blog is I guess. I dont think matt cutts referfs to guest blogging opportunities between good web sites, news and organisations he is more into the unsolicited spam emails I get every day by hundreds offering 400 word articles with links in exchange of guest blogging to their site as well. This will leave a footprint between my site and his/her site. My assumption is that if you have a profile with hundres of these you will get devalued. No need to panic every time Matt releases a video

Hello,

The answer to your question is No. Reconsideration request applies only to manual penalties and not algorithmic ones. What you need to do is to go clean/disavow your profile from most toxic links or links you acquired close to the date you got the penalty and wait for the next update or a Google algorithm refresh.

Hey Chris,

Don't get me wrong, I am with you in leaving behind the high risks, my frustration comes more from Google's SERP results and behavior on spam sites than what you say, but I dont think a footer link for a web design company produce any sort of threat or places a site on a "churn and burn" status or even high risk. Then again I bring MNS, quick cash in, affiliates and spam in mind when I see "churn and burn" so it might be me.

Sorry to break the Matt Cutts buble here but while I agree with you Kered, this is more theory than practise...or to be precise, it leans more towards the exception than the rule.

For me it always depends on the keyword, the niche and which keywords you target. i have seen industry sectors (for example: "web design" related keyphrases) where indeed what you say is true and others (such as "pest control" related keyphrases) where black hat, 2003 SEO and corruption are present to such an extend it makes me sick. And I am not talking about sort term, unless sort term is 1 year and 7 months I am monitoring this industry and counting, on a sector where top 10 makes thousands of dollars per month.

I wouldn't nofollow any of the links or if I had to I would nofollow the link I send to the client web site. I would keep the footer link and bear in mind 2 things. 1) If you use anchor text you play with the keyword % ratio so be careful or put your brand name there 2) its a footer link, thus not much value.

but nofollow it? No i wouldnt.

What Gregory said plus its site:domain.com you dont put the www

Hello,

I think you want to ask if it is Duplicate title/Content rather over-optimisation since you are mentioning "articles"?

Over-optimisation is when you have used your targeted keyword more than it should.

If what I suspect is the case, then it will come down to the content. if for example the content is the same and all you change is the location and you could probably deal with some duplicate content issues.

There might be other reasons than your on page optimisation that led to your rankings.

Firstly I agree, leave a bit more time to pass by before jumping to conclusions. Some of my clients' keywords dance up and down in serp for few days without any particular reason so give it a week or two until Google decided your page's rank.

BTW from onpage optimisation you mean META (at least that is my understanding) changes. Did you also change url structure? How about your internal anchor link text? Did you change that too or left it with the old keywords? On page is much more than just MoZs report

Hi mark,

Firstly I do not think that they suppose to rank on normal serp....if you got the rank on google image serp thats the best you will get. The 15th of November update focused on Google Image SERP and did boost lots of web sites that have dedicated landing pages with image presentation about specific products. It happened in one of my test blogs I use for testing various techniques to see what work and what doesnt.

I did none of the optimisations you mention above, but I did on-page optimise the web page that hosts the image for the keywords I wanted it to rank, used top navigation anchors and that was it. No image alt tag, no resizing, nothing. Google just picked it up and ranked it.

As I was testing the blog for link building and not image rankings that is what i can offer you atm and that was the effect it had on me with the 14th of november update. We are talking about 83.000% increase on impressions on Google Webmaster tools. so all I can advise is, do have a landing page with all your image products there but optimise the landing page for the keywords and not the image itself necessarily. Ofcourse doing the latter wont harm you but make sure that the page is optimised as well to be on the best/perfect side.

Sorry to sound negative but the only thing you have missed is believing that everything you read about Google works

I believe that all these PR releases is where Google wants to go in the future or how they wished things to happen, a white hat online marketing strategy best guide if you'd like. But as to what actually works you will be surprised to find out that a lot of black hat tactics not only work, but actually are good in keeping a site on page one for a long long time.

While this is a strategy that will innevitably lead you to the day you will log to your ranking tool and your whole web site will be gone, bear in mind that Google DID encourage heavy anchor text link building. Few months later they realise that people can abuse it as was greatly noted in this post here http://yoast.com/godaddy-link-building/ where GoDaddy managed to climb on page one overnight back in 2011, not that long ago but before the first Penguin release.

There are a lot of techniques that still work these days, techniques that have been reported black hat ages ago, and that google have made an example of. If they made an example why do they still work you may ask? I am in no position to answer, but they do work. Here is a sum up of 5 reasons you might be getting outranked by a competitor http://www.atladasmedia.co.uk/blog/5-seo-reasons-you-may-be-getting-beat-in-rankings-by-websites-that-are-no-better-than-yours/ one of which is:

2. Anchor text link building. YES – Penguin is nasty and there are a lot of web sites that got penalised but anchor text link building does help if done properly. I did a quick search on terms such as the one mentioned above as well as local companies and the top pages have keywords in between six and 15 percent of their anchor texts. This is where a lot of companies that use keyword domain names as shown above, have an advantage, as their domain name can also serve as an anchor text if someone decides to link to them.

Hope this answers your question!

Go with Serpbook or rankchecker...I was furious to receive a report from Moz today telling me that around 50 keywords went from Rank 1 to rank nowhere. after they brought me back from my heart attack incident (sarcasm) I decided to check SErobooks and a free tool called rankchecker and my keywords were fine and where they should be ranking wise.

I do not trust Moz on rankings at all tbh

It helps Google understand what your page is about and ofcourse they do help but try to avoid a "from top to bottom" tactic.

Besides if you have more than one anchor text pointing to a specific page, Google will take into consideration only the first one and ignore the rest so if you place more than one that points to the same page do it if you feel that there is a benefit from a user experience point of view but I would generally avoid it.

Hope this helps!

Hello Prime,

Do your business a good favor and do not sigh up for this directory. good thing your competitors are tbh as Google doesnt like directories and all these will be penalised soon. Even black hatters dont sign up to directories anymore, they go for high PR blog post pages. Even 3 years ago I wouldnt recommend this as it seems weak and spammy. Also the site might be PR1 but the listed pages are PR 0 thus no link juice at all and only troubles in your head.

Hope you find this answer helpful

Reconsideration request applies on manual spam penalties and not algorithmic updates. this has been covered extensively by Matt Cutts in numerous videos.

We dont know if he is manually penalised or not. in the case you are follow advises from the two gentlemen above.

IF you arent and removed all spammy links it will take a while for you to get your rankings back. Some people say you have to wait a big update but I would say give it a month and in the meantime try to main traffic from other channels ie. social media, email marketing etc.

Hi Linda

Do NOT redirect - If you set up a redirect you will pass the penalty to the new domain and you will have the exact same results. I suggest you clean the profile and once you see your traffic picking up then do 301.

Try to think why you got penalised. Go to webmaster tools and download your latest links - there is a tab and you can select it. Since you were hit with the latest update I would start to check links within the 2 update dates. Disavow those links or try to remove them. I am sure you will pick up.

I can have a look for you if you want should you give me the web site url on a PM.

Best of luck!

Hello,

What Peter says is partially true, weird thing is I Google the keyword from UK and they rank on page one for me as well.

I did a quick keyword research for you and here is why I think they rank:

1. partially EMD - they use part of the keyphrase in their domain. Before anyone jumps in and tells me how this is not as powerful as it used to be please run a test for property/location keyphrases or non-sales/money buying keywords. You will be surprised.

2. Top 10 competition is quiet weak. I do not think I would have any problems ranking this web site with a couple of links and good quality articles

3. There are 41 web sites in Google US that contain the keyword in both title and an external anchor text as per Market Samurai - again weak competition.

Hope this answers your question

I agree with Federico if we are dealing with a "manual penalty" case which seems to be the case since he is mentioning reconsideration requests. You have to remember that there is not a one size fits all solution for penalised domains, each client is a unique case that needs a unique action from your part.

For example:

1. Is the cost of your extra hours of work and the time he is going to lose in order to revoke the penalty less thanbuying a domain, uploading the site and rank it again.
   2) Is the domain a branded domain? If so you need to try and clean it, if not maybe worth changing it?
2. Does the client have referral web sites driving good quality traffic to the site? This is extremely important. For example one of my clients who got penalised (manual penalty) was getting 6000 visits a month from a referal web site Google pointed out as against their "quality guidelines". Needless to say I did not disavow the site and carried on cleaning the rest of the domain. Few months later the penalty timed out and client got back all his rankings and traffic, also impressions got increased on google webmaster tools.

Up to date everything seems fine.

So the penalty was revoked and in one day you were On page one. Never seen this happening in my life tbh or read it anywhere normally people wait for an update. Could be wrong here but I doubt it.

Anyways, in regards to our friend here I will insist to my original response, if he has no manual penalty notification a URL with a web site could be handy

Hello Scott,

As Federico pointed out MEta Keywords wont help much. On the other hand I do not think that manual action has anything to do with it as you wouldn't be on page 2 if you were penalised. Maybe your competitors built more content or link.

I am in no position to assist further unless I can have a look at your web site and the back link profile.

Hope this help

Hello,

Index page will be more than enough. Also the fact that the language is non English is now sufficient enough for google to understand and list the web site to the relevant country directories.

Best of luck!

Hey Luke,

I checked a couple of sites that rank on page one and have footers everything seems sound towards my end. Can you give me the link of the site so I can have a quick look on the link profile and the footers? Will be more than happy to.

Regards

Hi David,

Ofcourse it does, you will need your GA ID so MoZ can drag the data from your web site. I doubt there is a service out there that doesnt need GA or code installed in order to provide you with data.

Hello karl and thanks for the feedback, much appreciated mate!

The reason we wanted to redirect is purely for customer experience, this is a site with 10,000 visits per day. The web site was hit with manual penalty and I am right now on the second reconsideration request.

Allow to give a bit more details.

The website when launched bought 2 domains.

www.website.com and www.web-site.com with "website" being the brand's name.

Previous SEO guy uploaded 2 different versions, dont ask me why, I have no idea why. Few months ago they decided to take down www.web-site.com and redirect it to www.website.com so link juice and bookmarks would land people to one version  of the web site.

Now that the www.website.com got penalised, for brand purposes they want to use www.web-site.com  So my 2 questions are:

1. Is this safe considering that www.web-site.com redirects all this time to the penalised www.website.com ?

2. What if I set **302 redirects **instead of 301 from www.website.com to the www.web-site.com until the penalty is lifted? Or even an iframe?

Kind Regards and thanks a million

iframe, 302 redirect

Hello all,

As I have mentioned in another Q&A, one of our new clients got hit by manual penalty. I checked their link profile and there was a lot of black hat involved. Long story sort, I submitted a reconsiderationr equest which was not enough as it seems 99,9% of his links are bad links. We took the decision to move a newly launched web site from www.websitename.com to www.website-name.com with the latter being an old domain name with good authority and clean link profile.

The problem is that at the moment the www.website-name.com is set to 301 redirect to www.websitename.com and what we want to do now is take the web site off www.websitename.com and launch (not 301 as we dont want to pass the penalty to the clean domain) it to www.website-name.com. What is the best practise for this particular case and are there any things i should pay attention to?

I would appreciate your advise!

Hello,

I had a quick look at your link profile and it seems that you had a big spike in link building activity from 17 of July up to 24th of August (mostly from directory submission). Then it goes quiet again which looks unnatural.  You have used contextual anchor texts around "software development" keyword which covers pretty much 80% of your profile making your web site vulnerable to Penguin and my guess is that you got hit by the latest refresh/update.

I would suggest you make your anchor texts look more natural and remove all those directory links you got between july and august by using the disavow tool. Then monitor if you move up to SERPS and report back.

Remember that you might not move immediate results, sometimes the algorithm needs to refresh before you see any noticeable changes.

This is a quiet common trap people fall into when they see "low competition" and 1000+ searches a month for a term. They tend to go for that keyword without google-ing it and having a look what top 10 looks like. There might be a reason why it says "low competition". For the review keyword you chose for example you have to compete with blogs and review sites (UK) such as "money supermarket", AVForums, mumsblog jsut to name a few, there is no way in the world you will beat these people.

Also with forums and MNS the problem is that you do not sell the actual product thus google thinks that a web site which sells and have reviews is much more important than yours.

Hello Matthew,

I will give a different angle to your quote:

"If your site isn't appearing in Google search results, or it's performing more poorly than it once did (and you believe that it does not violate our Webmaster Guidelines), you can ask Google to reconsider your site."

You mentioned "Cleaning-up profile" so in a way you admit to google that you believed that the profile WAS violating quality guidelines. I will also assume that you did not receive a manual penalty warning thus do not submit a reconsideration request, no need to hit alarms when its not needed.

Manual penalties most of the times mean that someone reported your web site for spam. What you describe seems as an algorithm update that your site didnt pass resulting in position dropping. Should you fix the problems you should get your #SERP back, if not carry on working the way you did (that is adding good content, getting Tier one authoritative links and removing the spammy ones).

Hope this helps!

1. Remus - thanks so much for the link. Kind of missed that video and it does make sense. Thanks

2. Martin S. I have used the disavow tool and submitted a reconsideration request thought that was clear from my first reply which I explain how google reacted to this?

In particular: A client contacted me recently and I removed roughly 80% of his link profile before submitting a reconsideration request. Google came back and pointed out an article from a spin blog which is not your regular wordpress spam crap rather a very high reputable authoritative site.

Regards

Noone suffers if you use the disavow link. Because you disavow a web site that doesnt mean that google blacklists it. Not as far as I know at least. Got a source confirming this?

Hello Andy,

To my experience if the amount is low there is no harm in paying them to remove the links, in the end of the day they will do some admin work and noone wants to work for free (plus they didnt put your links there - you or your SEO guy did). Google wants to see that you are doing effort in getting rid of all the spammy links and they expect that some people would ask money. make sure you include this to your reconsideration request document, at least I did.

A quick advise. Make sure you remove EVERYTHING that is spammy. That includes even one single article you spinned. Once you submit the reconsideration request they will dig in to see if you have any further faults.

A client contacted me recently and I removed roughly 80% of his link profile before submitting a reconsideration request. Google came back and pointed out an article from a spin blog which is not your regular wordpress spam crap rather a very high reputable authoritative site. While other people hosting articles do not have a "link warning" or "manual penalty" Google still says it should be removed.

Best of luck!

I agree with Martijn and based on what I see from your examples you should do with this one: **/Immigration/Permanent-Residence/Work-Permit-South-**Africa

In regards to your questions:
Is it worth it? - yes it does
Will google read my parented URL with all the keywords, or only the page's keywords? - Google will take into higher consideration the folder that is closer to your domain name. With your new structure I suspect you would promote the page with the "Immigration" keywords which includes "permanent residence" as one of the many services your "immigration" page includes. Same goes for your work permit. This is how google will see it while at the moment it sees one authoritative page which includes the whole keyword. As Martjin said it really depends in how many pages/services you got.
What should I expect to see from google? - I have witness slight improvement in rankings (+2-3 positions) after I Implemented url re-structuring and schema but I have mainly worked in property related web sites so not sure if this an exception or rule. Someone with an e-commerce web site (where there url structure is a must) could give us his insights in terms of improvements as in every single e-commerce site I have worked, I always made sure the url was structured properly from scratch so I do not have an insight in terms of "improving" rankings.
Will my SERPs be all messed up?  - Not messed up but you might end up with lots of 404. Make sure you set redirects from the old URLs to the new Ones. Again it depends the web site. From my experience I changed 4 in the past and only one popped loads of 404s but that was mainly due to a plug in that was displaying search results based on unique criteria, something I could not control.

Hope this helps!

Thanks for taking the time to reply Michael, much appreciated!

That happens for 3 reasons

1. It is a low competitive keyword where EMD is very strong. Low profit (around £0,50-0,90 CPC)

2. He is using automated software like No Hands SEO or GSA which automatically generate relevant blog comments and split the links to follow and no follow so that they seem natural to Google. He will get penalised in the end as both of these tools are ok to use for web 2 properties but people dont know and use it on their web sites (penalty inc)

3. He is probably purchasing good follow links from a high DA and PA blog/PR network, there are plenty around for 100-200 a month.

All this make me conclude that your competitor has a money site or a Micro Niche Site meaning he wants to make a cash and dont care for long term goals (check for adsense and amazon affiliate links within the pages).  If that is not the case then his SEO guy clearly needs to move forward!

Pure 2010 black hat practise.

Hi Luke,

I have used footer links a lot and I have never ever experienced a penalty. However there are a couple of things you need to be aware which might resulted in your ranking drops / re-recover.

1) footer links are bad for SEO when linking to other sites or when other sites link to you. There is no harm if you link to your internal pages/landing pages and besides search engines tend to ignore footer links 
2) Your main page is the page with most domain authority. The more footer links you add the more link juice you pass to those pages. If you added too many you might  over-dilute the home page link juice meaning an overall drop in rankings.
3) You have to remember that only the first link on the page to a specific URL is counted. So if for example you have on the main menu or content a link to product X as "product X" anchor and then you have on the footer a link "best product X 2013" with both links to the same product x page then google will ignore completely the latter as it's worthless.

In your case it is possible that you had many footers and passed all the juice to lets say 10 pages meaning no juice thus downrank vs pages with higher authority.

Just a guess, hope it helps!

Hello,

Do not fall to the trap of reporting your competitor, spend your time in being productive by focusing on your online brand building instead, find out what are people's concerns when looking for activation codes and create beautiful content that will make you differentiate in the market. Thats how you should be spending your time. Black hat SEO refers to money making sites. Its how much you spend VS how much you make till you get caught as most people said above. This is why most of the high PR links they have are rented and not permanent and they pay $100-$200 for them to be there. He can rank temporarily (yes temporarily, he will get hammered soon - SAPE links were finished last week and took all the web sites with them) but he will be gone/sandboxerd sooner or later while you will always be there. Sustaining your ranks and reputation will benefit your business much more than a rank one on google and if your boss cant see that, maybe he should join a quick marketing course

Hello dear MoZ community,

I have already communicated this problem before but now it reaches to a level I have to make some hard decisions and would like your help.

One of our new accounts (1 month old) got a manual penalty notification few weeks ago from Google for unnatural link building. I went through the whole process, did link detox and analysis and indeed there were lots of blog networks existing purely for cross linking. I removed these and the links got decreased dramatically. The company had around 250,000 links and truth be told if I go by the book only 700-800 of them are really worth and provide value. They will end up with roughly 15000 -20000 left which I acknowledge are a lot but some are coming from web 2 properties such as blogger, wordpress etc.

Because the penalty was in some of the pages and not the whole web site I removed the ones that I identified were harming the web site, brought the anchor text down to normal levels and filed a very detailed reconsideration request and disavow file.

I do not have a response so far by webmasters but here is where my concerns begin:

1. Should I go for a new domain? losing 230.000 links ? How can there even be a "reconsideration" request for a web site with 85% of its link profile being cross linking to self owned directories and web 2 properties?
2. If I go for a new domain should I redirect?
3. Should I keep the domain, keep cleaning and adding new quality links so I take it with a fresh new approach?

Thanks everyone in advance!

Hi Christopher,

I think the answer is pretty obvious,the rule applies to anchor texts of specific keyphrases that are non branded. Google allows a higher threshold of brand name anchor texts because that's how people would naturally link to you. High percentage domain/brand match anchor text is generally a very good SEO practice (way before Penguin release).

In the case of our friend here we have an EMD and 80-90% of his overal link profile with exact and contextual anchor text links. Also the exact key phrase he down-ranked is around 10% of the profile. I am pretty sure that there is not a rule set in stone with % for NON-branded keyphrases but **from my experience (thus not necessarily a  rule) **in the sector I work at when I had to deal with penalised sites this was one of the common features I dealt with.

Again, the answers are within his data!

Regards

I recently had to deal with an identical case but I would never be able to tell you for sure unless I have a look at your google webamsters and google analytics data. Go and have a look at your site impressions, visits per and avg.position drops. Make sure that you have comparison on so you can see how your pages and keywords respond to last months.

Also 10% for one anchor text in my experience is a bit too much (have seen web sites with more not being penalised so this is not a rule) and it would be good to keep it a bit lower around 5-6%. That goes for your contextual anchor text links which in your case seems to be 80-90% of your profile.

All these ofcourse are guesses and speculation based on my experience, only your data will tell what happens but what Jonathan suggests above wont harm you, quiet the contrary it will improve your link profile.

It all depends on what your web site title is. I will make an assumption here and assume this is a money site with adsense code or amazon affiliates? If that is the case (and I apologise if it isnt) then your brand name is something like (tophairremoval.com).

ranking for that keyword will require a lot of good authoritive backlinks and in particular from similar to your niche web sites and blogs even if google keyword tool told you (800+ searches a month) and "low competitive".

Hello Pendara,

We are a digital marketing agency based in the UK, would be more than happy to have a chat with you

Kind Regards

You are welcome

Hello,

i hate to sound pessimistic but I want to save you time. Buy a Wordpress template or so a bespoke design and move away from Joomla.

I had the exact same problem, 10-15 links a day exactly like yours. I did everything in my powers to fix it. Bough the plug in the community recommended, did redirects, I just ended up with hundreds of links every montH.

If someone else has a solution go for it but again your best bet is to move away Joomlart

Hello,

First of all and as an advise I would use 301 only to good/high traffic pages and not to every single page. I suspect you run an ecommerce site and I have  bad experience by changing url structures to similar sites, specially the ones that uses widgets for products so the less the better (if ofcourse that is the case).

Shortening your URL length will definitely help you and I see no harm in it. Matt Cutts in particular said that if there are more than 5 words "[Google] algorithms typically will just weight those words less and just not give you as much credit.”

In regards to the depth, the closer your keyword is to the domain name the more weight and important it will be considered by google. So for example if you are selling running shoes and right now your url is

www.website.com/catalog/ID/running-shoes then you should make it
www.website.com/running-shoes

I am not an expert with ID though so maybe someone else can jump in and give us insights but I think the example above will be a good change.

Hope this helps

Hello Tom,

It is an advanced segment you can use in Google analytics which scans all the Ws keywords that brough traffic to your web site such as "how", "why", "what" etc....that way you can see questions people ask on the internet and capitalise in content opportunities. You can then check which one of these posts converted (for example more than 3 visits and goal conversions from Google analytic) and again write further content.

To start with create advanced segments of the 5Ws, select january-Today 2013 in google analytics, go to organic traffic and keywords and apply the segment. There you go

I can not attach a picture here but your segment should be:

Include Keyword MatchinRegExp Who
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp Why
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp What
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp How
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp When
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp Where
Include Keyword MatchinRegExp Can

(I know more than 5 but I like including how and can too :-))

very well said...even in the micro niche area now affiliate marketers say "BUILD CONTENT" and treat your money site like a business. Industry is changing, google ban web sites with lots of amazon affilaite links etc. Content is king, period.

btw i assume he is not an affiliate marketer either. i have no idea if thats the case. I just put on my newbie glasses on and remember back in 2000 how I was trying to find a good software to rank me high after my onpage SEO was done lol