Hey Highland :),

Nice to meet you, might of been a funny bug that it didn't display your name the first time.

Have you seen this happen before ? If so could u (or anybody else) plz post 2 serp links displaying the same url but with 2 different page titles?

I was only aware this would happen to meta descriptions (either a piece of matching text is taken or in some cases the dmoz.org description)

thanks in advance

Hello mr anonymous  ,

Thanks for your quick reply, but I'm not completely sure if i'm interpreting what you are saying correctly:

" "woonverzekering" does not appear in the title tag (it's part of that longer word but, given that I don't speak Dutch, I can't tell if it's simply part of the word or related) but it DOES appear in the page copy (in a H1 no less, smart SEO)."

Are you saying 'woonverzekering'  does not appear in the title tag?

But it does <page title="">Woonhuisverzekering? Vergelijk alle soorten woonverzekeringen - Independer.nl</page>

Also in the

Woonverzekering afsluiten?

but that doenst match with the title in the serps 'woonverzekeringen - Independer.nl'

It seems like for some reason Google cuts of the beginning of the full page title tag when you search voor 'woonhuisverzekering'

<page title="">Woonhuisverzekering? Vergelijk alle soorten woonverzekeringen - Independer.nl</page>

&

<page title="">woonverzekeringen </page>- Independer.nl

Hey guys,

Hope everybody is having a good day.

Today i came across something i have never seen in the serps before that i would like to share and getting feedback on.

When i search for 'woonverzekering' on google.nl #1 is:

**Url:          ** www.independer.nl/woonverzekering/intro.aspx
**page titel:  **Woonverzekering - Independer.nl

When i search for 'woonhuisverzekering' on google.nl #1 is:

**Url:  **         www.independer.nl/woonverzekering/intro.aspx
page titel: Woonhuisverzekering? Vergelijk alle soorten woonverzekeringen - Independer.nl

So basically 2 different queries show the same url with 2 different page titles in the serps.

The only 'weird' thing i could find was a nobreakspace in the page title code:

Woonhuisverzekering? Vergelijk alle soorten woonverzekeringen - Independer.nl

I'm i missing something completely obvious here? Is this a commonly used technique.  Is the page title getting chopped up because of   ?

What are they doing to get 2 page title results on 1 url?

Hey Guys,

Finally got an answer i was looking for about 301's and link juice (pagerank) loss.

Matt Cutts posted the following video on Youtube yesterday confirming there is no linkjuice (pagerank) loss from a 301 redirect.

Check out Matt Cutts video and discuss the concequences and tactics here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Filv4pP-1nw

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Hi All,

Mini update here.

Matt Cutts posted a video exactly about this issue on YouTube yesterday.

Basically he says 'PageRank' loss via 301's is a MYTH :D.

In my opinion this sounds like great news to me.

I assume i won't have to change all my external links to a new url just to save +- 10% juice

Video link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Filv4pP-1nw

Hope this info is usefull to you guys ( and gals) :),

Lawrence Shaw

watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Filv4pP-1nw

Hi Takeshi Young,

Very intersting information from pretty much the most credible source.

So if i leave the links as is i'd have a little loss of linkjuice (10/20%), If i want 100% juice to be passed along i would have to change the links targetting url to the new ones.

Does Google get 'upset' if you change existing external links? I can imagine that the 'bots' don't like existing links changing much and could consider it spam tactics.

Hey Dan,

Thanks a lot for sharing your thoughts. I agree with you 100%.

I wonder if there is anyone else who has another opinion or knows of case studies that have tested what we are thinking.

Got a lot of migration ahead of me with quite a bit of linkbuilding on the 'old' url's, so definitely want to do whats best in thiscase

Hope everybody is having a good day:).

I was wondering what happens to the external link juice of a page when you redirect it to a new (and improved) url?

For instance www.example.com/lowvolumesword/highvolumeword/   301 --> www.example.com/highvolumeword/

Will the /highvolumeword/ page lose a lot of  (external) linkjuice?

Is it best to change the external links to the new url manually or leave them as is and let the 301 redirect take care of it?

Is it possible to say that no more than x% of your linkjuice will be passed through via a 301?

I hope im making sense here and am looking forward to your reaction.

Thanks in advance,
Lawrence

when searching for '.org' within SeoMoz i found the following 2 articles that mention .org domains.

http://www.seomoz.org/blog/how-to-choose-the-right-domain-name  http://www.seomoz.org/blog/bing-vs-google-prominence-of-ranking-elements

Any chance you meant one of these?

I don't know why, but im often making dubbel posts. I've editted this dubbel post and removed the dubplicate content hehe

Hi Stuart,

Nice outfit you are wearing in your avatar pic haha ;).

And thanks for your input, i definitely get where you are comming from with brand.com and good content, but we already have a site where we are working on a brand (prizewize.com .nl), but we also want to expand using white labels. This way we increase our visibility in the Serps and have different ways of targetting our audience (have one site more formal than the other etc.).

Also in the Netherlands it seems a lot o EMD's are still doing well. I guess Google updates come arrive here 6 to 18 months later than in the US (which can be a good thing). But to be clear the EMD.org i'm talking about will have sollid unqiue content together with our own webservice (price compare tool).

Other emd's we have rank well and  they get a lot of 'natural links' with exactkeyword.nl (.com/.net/.info/.org). So it's way easier creating theme relaterd links with exact match anchor text's for an EMD than a non emd. One of the major reasons for starting another emd and not a brand.

I havent tried ranking myself with a .org domain before, but i have seen a bunch of them rank well for very competitive queries and  with horrible content :(.

At www.google.nl search for autoverzekeringen (car insurances) and  in the top 2/3 should rank www.autoverzekeringen.org (awefull site)

Another example is (on Google nl)  the querie zorgverzekering (health insurance) and in the top 2/3 should be www.zorgverzekering.org

Hi Luke,

I normally visit SeoMoz by typing in 'se' in my browser, after which it fills in the rest of the url (www.seomoz.org) and i press enter.

I had totally forgotten that its SeoMoz.org haha, what a great example.

Thanks for your thoughts, I hadn't thought about how spammy .info might actually come across. Unfortunately the .com's and .nl's are gone for these keywords.

It's quite a competitive market with a lot of EMD.org .net .com and .info's already taken. I will follow up on your advice and take another close look at still available .com/.nl domains with hyphens in them.

Hi everybody,

I'm having a 'heated' discussion with a collegae about .org domains. Originally .org domains were created for non-profit organizations and it was fairly difficult to get a .org domain ( like .gov and .edu still are). Nowadays it's easy to register a .org domain and i see plenty of commercial .org emd's ranking well.

We are planning on launching a new white label in the Netherlands (.nl) and have several domains in our portfolio that we  can us for this.

• I recommend using an exact match .org domain (.nl and .com are already taken) for the new white label www.exactkeyword.org.

• **My collegae says don't use www.exactkeyword.org, because we aren't a non-profit organizaton and we can't garantuee we won't lose our rankings over the next 3 to 4 years. He would recommend going with the available www.exact-keyword.info. **

Who right and who's wrong and why? Can i garantuee no risk with .org for a commercial organization?

I was of the same opinion untill i started to think of the what the possibilities could be for EMD's etc. Might be a great oppurtunity that won't come by often.

Man i can't wait to start testing with these :).

I'm very curious to see how Google is going to handle this.

Looks like right now all we can do is sepculate on this.

Still fun though

Yes i believe so.

It should come down to your link profile (and language of content). If you have a site with French content and a lot of French links (links from sites hosted physically in France and are written in French and have a .fr extension) to a .org domain it will likely rank well in google.fr amongt .fr domains

But what about an exact match tld.  Inter.com isnt 100% exact match hehe.

like pizza.vegas (*query pizza vegas)

real-estate.miami (*query real estate miami)

EDIT: 
i put an extra N after 'a exact match' whilst the post was still uploading, causing this double post.

But what about a exact match tld.  Inter.com isnt 100% exact match hehe.

like pizza.vegas (*query pizza vegas)

real-estate.miami (*query real estate miami)

Hey Mozzers,

Auctions for new top level domains (examples of top level domains are: .com, .net, .info, .org etc) concluded in the summer and will become available from january 1st.

Did anybody bid/buy a new tld or know someone who did?

And who has plans to register new exact match domains?

My hobby is poker and i have a big passion for it so im already thinking about .poker domains.  play.poker, texasholdem.poker etc.

Here is an overview with TLD's that will come available:|
http://www.newgtldsite.com/new-gtld-list/

I also like .amsterdam (my home town) as  TLD.

What are your thoughts on this? I haven't heard or read much about this in the SEO community so im interested in getting a discussion started.

Very good point,

I hadn't thought about this yet. It could explain a lot. I've seen sites around with PR0 but a good link profile and was wondering why this is.

That might be the anwser.

Butt..... just spoke with a colleague about this and he mentioned his site got major penalties before (didnt even rank for its own brand name any more), whilst the pagerank went up from 2 to 3.

Man im confusing myself now again. Darned PageRank, so many sites with good PA and DA but Pr 0. So i or should i not get that link hahaha.

Any Seo'ers out there still looking at PageRank and or Alexa Rank?

Any suggestions on how to look at these stats?

I personally believe both are not relevant in todays SEO researches.

I'm i very wrong?

Hi Matt thanks for you reaction,

I'd normally never go after directory links for an international site, but i think in the Netherlands there is something 'special' going on here.  People in Holland seem to use these directories as there 'homepage'. They are called startpagina's with www.startpagina.nl being the most authoritive one. It seems like Google values these links like any other natural link.

I'm making these conclusions after looking closely at other big players in the niche im working in.

When researching http://www.independer.nl/ http://www.easyswitch.nl/ and http://gaslicht.nl/ in open site explorer the highest rated links seem to come from these type of directories/startpagina's. They get links from subdomain directories/startpagina's that are closely related to the keywords they are trying to rank for and often have exact match anchor texts.

When i saw this i thought i could easily replicate these link profiles over time, but would only take over links from pages with good stats: PA 45+ and PR 2+.

This is how i bumped into http://auto.beginthier.nl/ with PR 0 and PA 53. Btw this site was created in 2002 according to archive.org. So its not a new page. Maybe it's the architecture as you suggested then coz the homepage has Pr 2 and the rest 0 http://www.beginthier.nl/.

Check out the image below,

It's a great infographic on Rich Snippets from Selena Narayanasamy.

Hope it helps.

a-visual-guide-to-rich-snippets

Check out the image below,

It's a great infographic on Rich Snippets from Selena Narayanasamy.

Hope it helps.

a-visual-guide-to-rich-snippets

I sometimes see sites with PageRank 0 but Page Authority 50+.

For instance http://auto.beginthier.nl/:

PageAuthority = 53
mozRank = 4,64
mozTrust = 5,69
Root domain links = 42
PageRank = 0

How should i interpret these stats? If or instance i'm optimizing for a car related website (a site about: car parts, car insurrance, classic cars), would these be a good place or a bad place to get links from (ignoring the benefits of direct traffic)?

PA = 53 (very good) Vs. PR = 0 (very bad)?

Totally agree,

Have seen this a few times in the past.

Major SEO changes, big drop in rankings for 2/3 weeks. Then rankings gradually return.

@Dana: Keep us posted, im curious to see if in a few weeks time things have improved

Haha,

Good ol googlewhacking, it can be a lot of fun, but ofcourse you want to find one in the end ;).

I've added a little clip of comedian Dave Gorman.

He recorded (quite a few years ago) a live stand up after writing a book of his googlewhack adventures.

His goal was to find 10 people who had found a googlewhack. I wouldn't know where you'd be able to find the full version of it. It definitely worth the watch :).

More information about his googlewhack adventure on his site http://www.davegorman.com/projects_googlewhack_adventure.html

Have fun and goodluck Googlewhacking and if anybody finds one be sure to misspell it when posting it anywhere :).  Like bamboozel guzzler --> bam--b00zle guz---zl3r

Let's see who can find the shortest long tail Googlewhack :D.

watch?v=kTxB2SVH-7s&feature=relmfu

Hi there everybody,

It's the end of a long day and i have a few minutes to spare. So what better way than to spend those minutes on the seomoz forum.

As you might have already noticed this isn't a serious technical question, but more of a fun google related one.

As the title suggests..... Do googlwhacks still exist ?

For the people not familiar with a Googlewhack, its a 2 word search query that comes back with a signle hit in the SERPS.

Here are some examples of what used to be googlewhacks (which they aren't any more pretty much the moment someone writes about it and Google indexes it and gives up 2 results):

bamboozle guzzler

unmerciless politician

inculcating skullduggery

antiestablishmentarianism psycho

Who else remembers the good ol' Googlwhack days?

P.S. SeoMoz mods, I have no clue in what category to place this topic :). It's just a fun question, thats  all.

Thanks again for your input,

The reason this question arrose was because i was thinking of a news structure from a users perspective and my collgeague from a technical standpoint. Also he showed me how a friend of his got to the first page in the serps simply by moving a lot of related content under a subfolder.

This i found hard to believe, that simply putting in content under a subfolder would make the higher subfolder automatically rank higher.

Up to 5 years ago i thought sites rank well because they write a lot of articles, then i in 2007 i started reading up and focussing on SEO and understood that its not about quantity but quality and hierarchy and that really got me interested in SEO.

So i thought a 'traditional' news category like www.example.com/news/ with related articles (inter)linking to related subfolder landing pages would be a logical experience for the user and thus for bots. But 'sparring' with my colleague who is imo a very good programmer, made me second guess myself and the situation, and thus i ended up asking the great seomoz community :).

So thanks again for the input and will probably have the articles both under www.example.com/news/topic-article1/ and under www.example.com/topic/news/opic-article1/ (with a canonical tag on it).

Also i have never thought about the concequences for CTR in the SERPS using the dates in the url's. Thats a very valid point and wil have to take a look at how 'evergreen' the written news articles are.  Comming to think of it I also unconsciously ávoid' sites with urls showing old dates when searching for something specific. I even goes as fas as changing the date range in search settings.

I've added a video for you enjoyment. It's the one and only SEO Rapper from way back when... enjoy

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Hi Mat Bennett,

First of thanks a lot for thinking about my predicament and giving a well-structured reply.

The reason why i asked the question had to do with the placing of news articles on our website.

Initially i would say news articles should go under www.example.com/news/article-title/ or similar www.example.com/news/2012/october/article-title/

But my colleague has placed news under a theme related section like this www.example.com/related-topic/news/related-article-title/ with the idea that this would boost www.example.com/related-topic/ for the keyword ‘related-topic’.

His thinking is that google looks at the url like this -> www.example.com/related-topic/news/related-article-title/ then checks out www.example.com/related-topic/news/ and then google crawls www.example.com/related-topic/.

So by placing a lot of theme related news articles in a subfolder google would crawl www.example.com/related-topic/ more often. His point being the url is optimized for google and menu structure and links onsite are optimized for the users experience. After reading your reply and some more discussion, we will probably end up doing the following -> Create a news system then place the news under www.example.com/news/article-title or www.example.com/news/2012/october/article-title.  And also place the news articles under the related main categories like so www.example.com/related-topic/news/related-article-title/.

And to avoid duplicate content issues www.example.com/news/article-title would be canonically linked to www.example.com/related-topic/news/related-article-title/ (this being the ‘original’).

This way we should cater to both the user and search engine.

What do u think of such a setup?

P.S. movie tip. I watched ‘Indie Game - the movie’ last night and it was very inspirational.

For instance www.example1.com/cooltopic/ has 5 ‘verycool articles’ under /cooltopic/

www.example1.com/cooltopic/verycool-article1/ , www.example1.com/cooltopic/verycool-article2/.

On www.example2.com/cooltopic/ there are 100 ‘verycool articles’

Who will rank above the other for the term ‘cooltopic’ in the SERPS? Is it www.example1.com with 5 ‘verycool articles’ or www.example2.com with 100 ‘verycool articles’. Or does the quantity of (theme related) articles in subfolders not matter?

And what if example1.com has more quality external links from the ‘awesome community’. Would this change a lot in the rankings?

Or what if both domains have 0 external links, but example2.com has 95 more internal links (from the articles) to /cooltopic/ than example1.com with only 5 articles.