Disavow
-
When we disavow a file with certain domains, and then after a couple of weeks find new domains which have newly arrived in our back-links profile, and again disavow those new domains.
So, basically we are over writing the complete file, will Google take this as a complete new file?
Or will they have domains stored from previous file, and take these new domains as an addition from the new file submission? -
Hi All !
Just an update. I did ask John Mu about the question. Would updating disavow on a regular basis have a negative effect on site rankings. He Said No. The reason to share this video here is because, this subject is so hot and i was curious to know the answer. Hope this thread can answer queries of others ppl as well who were confused.You can see the answer to my question here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYys6QWYbvo&t=41m25sBut, as Robert and Pete said, and i do agree with both of them, that disavow should be used as a last resort, and its better to do a complete check of backlinks and then try to remove them first and use disavow as the last option, for the domains which can't be removed.
-
I think actual removal of the worst offenders is a better step all-around. Leave Google out of it (at least in a direct sense).
I think there is such a thing as "natural" sitewide links. For example, I once made a comment on a pretty well-trafficked blog, and that got promoted to a "top comment" which went into a sitewide sidebar. I got a lot of links from that site for a while, and it was fine. Google can see that it's just one site.
It's when you're obviously using this tactic repeatedly that the trouble starts. In most cases, I think it's just devaluation. There's not, in theory, anything wrong with a design company putting "Designed by Company X" in a footer to drive some business. Google doesn't value those links, because they're too easy to get in some industries. On the other hand, you aren't necessarily trying to cheat the system. In general, I'd be cautious these days, but sitewide links aren't an instant penalty.
-
Hi Peter, thanks very much for the response.
My gut feeling is that if the links were a serious problem, Google would already have notified me.
In line with your advice, I'll try to gradually approach the worst offenders with link removal requests but I'll stop short of using the Google Disavow tool.
Any of that sound sensible?
Related question: are there any circumstances in which sitewides from a site highly relevant to mine are a good or even acceptable thing?
Thanks -
That's a really tough call. Truthfully, even links that could potentially harm you down the road might actually be helping you short-term. So, you could proactively disavow the sitewide footer links and lose ground, even if it's a smart long-term move.
In most cases, these links are devalued, so odds are that they aren't helping you much and the risk is low. I'd just urge caution. You may want to ease into it with links from a few sites that you know for a fact are low quality.
-
I know this thread's answered but I'd like to pitch a related question.
.
Would you delete/disavow links without having received a warning in GWT?
I've an 8-year site; we've some spammy sitewide footer links (created six years ago by some "SEO" were were suckered in by; some on sites with 10,000+ pages) and some article directory links (again about 3+ years old). -
Thanks Robert and Pete to look into my query and sharing your expertised answers
-
To answer the technical aspect of the question, Google does not seem to store previous files or maintain a historical record of disavowed links. You should consider the current submission to be the only submission, and keep it as complete as possible.
I'm not overly concerned about disavow coming back to bite people (I haven't seen any reports of that floating around the industry), but down the road, I think Robert's concerns are valid. If you're constantly adding to new links to disavow, Google may start to wonder if there's anything fishy going on.
Maybe the bigger question is - why are people consistently building these links? Is this a negative SEO attack or is something about your business model, content, structure, etc. creating quality problems with your link profile. If there are deeper issues, better to address them than put a bandage over them.
-
I really think you could be creating a problem for yourself using the disavow file this way. My concern is that you are drawing attention to the site you may not want and if you truly needed it, I worry about having submitted it and changed it over and over having a negative effect.
Remember, the disavow tool was created as a mechanism of last resort. Also, some spammy links should not affect the site overall as everyone is going to have some "bad" links. If you think someone is purposefully doing this to you, you may want to approach it differently.
Is there a reason you originally started using the disavow tool? What are you wanting to accomplish with it now?
Best,
Robert
-
Robert,
Links are sometimes un-controllable, we can't control that. After looking at complete backlinks profile, we disavow domains, but after a couple of weeks, some shady affiliate pages throw links back at our pages, so at that time we need to re-evaluate the backlinks and submit the disavow file.
Sometimes even when some webmasters respond and remove the links, we remove the domains from the disavow file as well. So disavow files do gets updated. Technically when the webmasters have removed the links pointing to our pages, we then have to remove that domain from disavow as well, because its sitting there for nothing.
-
Usef4u,
I think the first thing to look at is you are very likely misusing the disavow tool. (It is a single file with all disavowed links/domains on it). There should be no reason to be resubmitting with new links/domains every couple of weeks. This was intended to be a tool of last resort.
First, you should contact the domain's webmaster and seek to have them take the link down, etc.Is there a reason you think you need to do this regularly?
Best,
Robert
Got a burning SEO question?
Subscribe to Moz Pro to gain full access to Q&A, answer questions, and ask your own.
Browse Questions
Explore more categories
-
Moz Tools
Chat with the community about the Moz tools.
-
SEO Tactics
Discuss the SEO process with fellow marketers
-
Community
Discuss industry events, jobs, and news!
-
Digital Marketing
Chat about tactics outside of SEO
-
Research & Trends
Dive into research and trends in the search industry.
-
Support
Connect on product support and feature requests.
Related Questions
-
Do you disavow all the links on the WhatsApp Gold site?
Do you disavow all the links on the WhatsApp Gold site? https://www.watsabgold.com/
Link Building | | JackBarrie0 -
If I disavow bad links on "disavow link webmaster" will they still show up on my moz reports?
We recently found out we have a lot of bad links linking back to our website from spam sites, I disavowed them through the google disavow link webmaster. On my moz report it still shows the links, is that normal?
Link Building | | Ryan.Cruz0 -
Disavow question
Hi there, I have 2 website's, and one of them will be redirected to the other. For both I need to do a disavow list, but I don't know how is better. I should make only one disavow list for the main site, and include the link from the site that I will redirect, or make a list for each website?
Link Building | | Silviu0 -
Should you do a disavow even if you don't have a manual penalty?
If you are working on a website which has a history spammy links, but no manual penalty by Google... is it still worthwhile to still go through the link removal and disavow process? Thoughts appreciated.
Link Building | | Gavo0 -
Should I Disavow a Link Like This?
I just saw this link appear for my website (www.webhostinghero.com) in ahrefs.com this morning: http://freedatingsiteregistry.com/tag/website-template/ (search for text anchor "hosting reseller") Obviously it's a scraper site. Other than that, my link profile is clean. Should I disavow this?
Link Building | | sbrault740 -
To disavow or Not to disavow is the question?
OK, I have done some analysis of my site and it seems quite clear that I have been hit by Penguin and this is largely down to my link building strategy. My question now is; 1. Do I try to undo the damage by disavowing toxic links I have identified, or 2. Do I just accept what is and ensure that from here on in I follow natural backlink acquisition? Thanks
Link Building | | UnderMe0 -
To Disavow, or not?
Hi - I'm working on a site that has somewhere between 1200 and 1500 backlinks. Somewhere around 800 or 1000 of the links have one of four or five exact keyword phrases that this company paid a former seo to create links for. They ranked well for those phrases until last fall and then almost overnight they fell completely out of the first 50 SERP results. They did NOT receive a manual penalty. This leads me to two questions: 1. This sounds like they were hit by Penguin, rather than Panda. Do I have that right? 2. Is there any value in disavowing the 800 or so spammy links? Is there any danger in doing so? Thanks!
Link Building | | tcolling0 -
Google Link Disavow and sites with extremely heavy but poor link metrics
Need help/opinions from the SEO's out there. I am working with a site that in the past hired an SEO company out of India. Over the course of their time together, this company submitted the clients url to tens of thousands of link exchanges and directories. Around the time of Penguin, the owners told me their inquiries dried up. Literally that same week they had a new website launched (designed by a local competitor) that really butchered the site. They were convinced the reduction in traffic/inquiries was due to the new site but I am convinced otherwise (suspect Penguin). Not only does the site need to be re-structured but their link portfolio needs to be diversified. Now on the plus side, the company caters and sponsors a number of events that earns them organic, relevant links. These are overshadowed by the tons of poor, irrelevant ones though. I read a few posts recently on the Google Link Disavow tool and to proceed slowly due to the unknown nature surrounding it. I have a good idea of what links are problematic and which ones are well served. However, the number of problematic links in my estimation is quite high (thousands). I am very hesitant to dive into Google Disavow and submit such a large number of requests. What are your thoughts? How would you proceed?
Link Building | | mattylac1