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mrodriguez1440 Subscriber last edited by

One of my clients got hit with negative SEO in the past few days. Check it out in ahrefs. The site is www.thesandiegocriminallawyer.com.

Any advice on what, if anything, I should do? Google disavow?

Thanks.
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DennisSeymour last edited by

The usual, compile the links, disavow them

If you got a manual penalty, submit a reconsideration ASAP.

Find some other traffic sources for the mean time while building better links. You can also start with some other domains as backup.

There's really no way to protect your site from something like that unless you have a really good brand plus a lot of great links.
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