Why this site is not hit by google penguin only experts answer please

[tanveerayakhan]

Hello I know a site which has the following things and it is not hit by google penguin at all and is ranked on first page first link in google.com.pk

it has 1.3K total backlinks

its has 34 referring domains according to ahrefs

the exact match keyword which is ranked in google.com.pk as first position is used in 1.2 K backlinks

its DA is 18

and PA is 31

its citation flow is 19

trust flow is 13

targeted exact match keyword is present in Title and description also.

Now tell me what is happening here.

[MattRoney]

My friend, there likely is no answer to this issue, and the responses you've received pretty well cover the possibilities. They've come from folks known to be experts, as well. To get more specific would require testing against the site in question, and for that you'll need to hire a consultant.

Please be courteous and respect the community members who have generously given of their time and knowledge to answer your question.

If you have questions about our community etiquette guidelines or thoughts you'd like to share, please email us at community@moz.com.

[tanveerayakhan]

wow all of you saying tone and tone and tone. as you all have no exact answer to this issue. any way I think MOZ and Majestic are still in very early stages. As there are plenty of examples I can give which when you all see you will have no answer to it and will say your tone this and your tone that.

take care all....

[CleverPhD]

Great point Marie!

[UmarKhan]

Dear editors,

This question has been answered, I think it should be closed now.

Thanks,

[MarieHaynes]

You've gotten some good responses so far. I'll add a couple of my thoughts.

There are still LOTS of sites that can get away with spam and not get caught by Penguin. I haven't investigated this site, but it's possible that the links are on a private blog network that Penguin was not able to recognize as a link scheme.

And who knows...perhaps they've got their bad links disavowed. It's also possible that Google is ranking this site because users tend to engage with it.

[CleverPhD]

Typo fixed on penguin vs panda.  There have been a lot of Panda updates lately and I have that on my brain.  Regardless of the algo mentioned, Google is not perfect and things slip through and they are not all rolled out in all countries at the same time.  Just a general FYI.

I did not think you meant to be rude, just letting you know as some people may take the wrong way.

Cheers!

[DonnaDuncan]

Tanveerayakhan,

You have your answer.

• http://goo.gl/Twp28T is NOT ranking on page 1 on google.com. (I searched for "web hosting Pakistan" incognito while in the US and it came up on page 2, #12.)
• Google's algorithms are imperfect. http://goo.gl/Twp28T is ranking as well as it does due to known black hat tactics which haven't caught up with it yet.
• If you want to out-do it, be patient, persist and "try and defeat the site on merits. Build up your domain authority."
• You should watch your tone and maybe show some appreciation for those that are volunteering to help you. (Otherwise you'll stop getting suggestions.)
• If you're not getting the answer you want, feel free to hire an expert. Moz does provide a list of recommended companies that provide consulting services.

[Andy.Drinkwater]

To be honest, with your 'tone' through here, telling people they are not experts and general manner, I would be surprised if anyone else would want to chip in. If they do, please try to keep this in mind.

Remember, that everyone in here does it for their love of SEO and the MOZ community. Noone (other than MOZ employees) are paid to be on here, so perhaps don't call levels of proficiency in to question, because anyone answering is trying to help.

-Andy

[tanveerayakhan]

Dear Moosa have you any alternate solution???

or you will focus on my words and say its rude

please guys come on topic again.

[MoosaHemani]

1. I absolutely agree with you!

2. Obviously i am not an expert but I tried to explain this point to him as per my knowledge and experience but i guess he want some "expert" to explain this to him.

3. Thank you for pointing this out as the tone was pretty much rude (to be atleast).

[tanveerayakhan]

Thank you for your response, as you mentioned Google can't role out in all countries but if I tell you this website is ranked in google.com too now what will be your answer.

and I asked for penguin not panda.

and I asked for experts because I am also the same level as you and the other 2 who answered here so all your answers are not logical. So please give any other reason you think it can be. Thanks. and I am not rude I knew its a hard question that why I said experts should answer.

[CleverPhD]

1. The site is ranking due to spammy links, this is why the site, despite having a "large" number of links has a low DA etc.

2. Why is it not hit with Penguin (corrected from Panda sorry typo)?  While Google is pretty good, it is not perfect.  People can still get away with this stuff (sad to say).  Also, Google does not roll out all updates to all countries that Google works in at the same time.  They have to account for things like differences in languages etc.  So, it could be possible that this site would not rank in Google US at this time, but maybe in other countries.

3. Word of advice.  Beggars can't be choosers.  Your question qualification of "expert answers only please", could be considered a little rude as most everyone on here is doing this for free and because they want to help other people in the community.  If you want expert advice only, then pay for a consultant, otherwise just be appreciative of the nice folks who are willing to chime in and hopefully point you in the right direction.

Cheers!

[ClaytonJ]

To be 100% I am not guaranteeing these links are saving the site however links like http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1377228 are related content.

Thus any IT, Hosting type links are related topics. Such type of links maybe outweighing the more obvious spam links.  Hope this assists.

I am not sure if anyone can take it further, it is a bit intuition and then a detailed comparison study between other sites on the SERP.

[tanveerayakhan]

which backlinks you are saying about which you said are saving this site?

[ClaytonJ]

Interesting had a look at the links.  Correct pure spam links. Ironically there is a nexus between some of the backlinks sites and the genre of the website pointed to - so I assume that is what is saving the site from a penguin penalty.

The traffic is not great. So tanveerayakhan I am not sure I can answer the question. In summary it is a black hat site with limited traffic ranking well.

I would try and defeat the site on it merits. Build up your domain authority.

Also have you tried contacting the sites where http://pkwebhost.com/ gets the links from? Try and get them deleted. If they are true spam sites - they will do anything for only a little money... a bit cheeky, but it seems you are aggrieved.

[MoosaHemani]

Not sure what exactly is a satisfactory answer to him but as far as results in Google.com they are not always as per the guidelines. Type in “SEO Services” and you will find companies who are ranking on basis of blog comment spam.

But they are much better than what I use to see previous year!

I think Google is working hard to make their SERP results pure but they are 100% pure and as per the guidelines is not something I will agree with.

It’s a process and it will take time #iguess

[Travis_Bailey]

What is?

[tanveerayakhan]

Well that is also not appropriate answer as it is ranking in google.com too on first page....

[Travis_Bailey]

Are you sure about that?

[MoosaHemani]

I am in Pakistan and that is why I do check websites in rankings from time to time and I have to say that there are many niches and areas where Google still allow spammy websites especially when it comes to Google.com.pk (maybe because Google give less important in our area).

The best idea is to report this URL to Google to bring this to their attention and may be in the next Google penguin update, this got hit.

In my opinion, there is not much you cannot do other than reporting it to Google.

Hope this helps!

[Travis_Bailey]

Yes, the domain is propped up by pure spam. Have you reported it to The Googles? Venting on the forums may feel nice, but it doesn't get anything done.

[tanveerayakhan]

O come on I know about it, but my question is why its ranking from about 3 years on first page first position. why Google not slapping it. Its a huge surprise for me as there are authority sites below it... amazing...

Has any moz expert an answer to it????

Is moz and majestic failed??? or lacking???

[Travis_Bailey]

It's ranking due to pure spam.

[tanveerayakhan]

Here is the link for you and all others who have answer to my question

http://goo.gl/Twp28T

[Travis_Bailey]

Yes.

Try:

https://goo.gl/

[tanveerayakhan]

What do you mean i have to mention it..... you mean the domain to mention here?

[Travis_Bailey]

I'm sure some folks can tell you all about this evil, no good, site. But you kind of have to mention it, one way or another. URL shorteners are a good way to do so.