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So I know have seen how my websites have taken a nose dive from the google farmer update most likely with traffic significantly hit.  Example site is callcatalog.com.  What recommendations are there to deal with the new world order?  How can we look at optimizing, changing, modifying our process to improve rankings and traffic?

Thank you, that makes sense.

Why does it matter as long as they have different c-class IPs?  Though I don't really have the correct answer, the does your recommendation really make a difference?

By the way, I've enjoyed seobook also.  But there are a wide variety of concepts  that you can learn here in the training / learning areas.

Though I haven't read this book, I'm curious how much some SEO thoughts have been put on a tail spin given Google's new farmer update???

Agreed, as that would seem a little more natrual.  After I let one website age, I then used some directory postings -- I knonw alot of people don't like those, but they helped me gradually grow as a next step

Can SE's figure this out?

ok, so if google still indexes it then they DO NOT consider it duplicate?

Eyepaq -- very interesting.  Any additional thoughts as to how to improve bounce rate then?

if I added a no index meta tag, then wouldn't it not show up in the google search index?  Google lists many of my no-content pages and people show up on them.  Any other ideas?