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    • H-FARM
      H-FARM last edited by

      Hi there,

      Here is our situation:we need to force an IP Redirection for our US users to www.domain.com and at the same time we have different country-specific subfolders with thei own language such as www.domain.com/fr.

      Our fear is that by forcing an IP redirection for US IP, we will prevent googlebot (which has an US IP) from crawling our country-specific subfolders.

      I didn't find any clear directives from Google representatives on that matter. In this video  Matt Cutts says it's always better to show Googlebot the same content as your users http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFf1gwr6HJw&noredirect=1, but on the other hand in that other video he says "Google basically crawls from one IP address range worldwide because (they) have one index worldwide. (They) don't build different indices, one for each country".

      This seems a contradiction to me...

      Thank you for your help !!

      Matteo

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      • H-FARM
        H-FARM @Hannah_Smith last edited by

        hi hannah,

        thx for the answer and the great insights. The problem is that for legal reason we need to show US visitors only the US version of the site. We can not give them the choice to choose other non-US versions 😞

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        • Hannah_Smith
          Hannah_Smith last edited by

          Hi Matteo,

          I think it's generally accepted that IP redirection in this scenario isn't considered cloaking by the search engines.

          However I have previously seen sites seemingly penalised (possibly because they're tripping some sort of cloaking filter) but in my experience this more commonly happens when different content is shown on the same URL based on IP detection, rather than redirecting to an alternative page.

          Cloaking issues aside, you rightly point out that the redirect can cause indexation problems (as the bots may only see your US content) - as such this isn't a solution which I'm keen to recommend.

          If you really need to implement something like this, you could try doing what cheapflights.com do. If you visit cheapflights.com from a UK IP they redirect you to this international choice page -

          http://www.cheapflights.com/workers/profile-select.aspx?sref=CFUK&redirect=GeoIP&geoip=GB&cfref=CFUS&spt=Home&rp=/:

          However, my preference would be to either -

          a) Don't do any IP redirection, but upweight the links to the international sites so that there is a clear route for users to find the right version of the site.

          b) Use IP detection to show a JavaScript overlay suggesting UK users might want to visit the UK site - but don't actually redirect them.

          I hope this helps 🙂

          Hannah

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          • Thos003
            Thos003 last edited by

            Google seems to repeat over and over, "Do what's best for your user." There are will always be areas that can't straddle both SEO and USER EXP. In those cases you will have to make a judgement call. It seems you have found one. I believe that you are not trying to use a cloak or re-direct to manipulate the search here, that is what Google is most concerned with.

            To meet your demand for Google indexing your subfolder then you only need build links to that subfolder. As for your redirect, there are a good many sites that do redirects based on location. Travelocity asks for your location. I don't do international SEO so I won't be able to advise you on which is best.

            Test it. Count the money. Highest figure wins.

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