Subpage PR4, No PR increase on Homepage - what gives?
-
This subpage gained a PR4 (was PR5) from external links. http://tinyurl.com/a24ghh9 It only has 5 links, including 2 links to the site's homepage.
The homepage was PR2 before this subpage was published, and still is even after 2 PR updates. I'm surprised the PageRank that should be flowing from this subpage to the homepage hasn't increased the homepage PR to at least 3.
Assuming each level of toolbar PR is 10x the one before, a PR4 subpage with 5 links should pass more than enough PR to the homepage to bump it from PR2 to PR3, right?
Any ideas?
Does Google have a really strong decay on how much PR gets passed from subpages to homepages?
This is somewhat troubling to me, as it poses a problem for the "attract links to your content pages and your homepage and money pages will rise with the tide" approach.
-
Ahhh, I see what you're saying Adam.
I looked at the infographic page and the 2 links pointing to the homepage should send some PR to your homepage. So I doubt that's the issue.
One PR4 link isn't enough (even with the low OBLs of that page) is enough to bump a PR up from 2-3, at least in my experience.
It still may not be juuuuust not enough to show up on the toolbar. You could have literally gone from PR2.1 to PR2.9...almost there but not enough.
-
"Remember that PR is semilogarithmic...each is not 10x the one before...it's often 1000+ times. This means it takes a helluva lot more PR to go from 2 to 3 than it did to go from 1 to 2."
That is exactly my point! A PR4 is exponentially more than a PR2, so 1/5 of the PR from a PR4 page should be more than enough to bump a page from PR2 to PR3.
Unless PR4 is <5x PR3, 1/5 of the PR from a PR4 page should be enough to make a page PR3. (Or am I misunderstanding the math?)
The only explanation I can think of is that for some reason, 1/5 of the PR from the PR4 is NOT flowing to the homepage (the PR2 page). And that is what concerns me.
-
Simple answer to this: your homepage PR probably DID go up...but not enough to push it to PR3.
Remember that PR is semilogarithmic...each is not 10x the one before...it's often 1000+ times.
This means it takes a helluva lot more PR to go from 2 to 3 than it did to go from 1 to 2.
And keep in mind that there are hundreds of "partial PR" permutations not shown in the toolbar. So maybe when your homepage first showed PR2 it was PR2.2. And the PR4 link pushed it to PR2.8.
Not enough to show PR3 quite yet.
-
The two possibilities that I see are.....
A: The links that hit Page A have higher pagerank than the sixty links that hit Page B.
B: The published pagerank for Page A and Page B are not of the same data vintage.
-
"So spending time trying to understand why Page A is PR5 with six links and why Page B is PR4 with sixty links is not a good use of your time"
Usually I pay scant attention to toolbar PageRank. In this case, I'm wondering if what I'm seeing represents at a broader, important concept, so I want to understand what might be going on in this situation better.
-
One of the best ways to understand PageRank flow is to spend some time playing with a tool like this. Once you have that mastered you can build an excel spreadsheet that will calculate it one-step-at-a-time.
PageRank is published "for entertainment value only". So spending time trying to understand why Page A is PR5 with six links and why Page B is PR4 with sixty links is not a good use of your time - as long as you understand the basic concepts of how it flows.
Got a burning SEO question?
Subscribe to Moz Pro to gain full access to Q&A, answer questions, and ask your own.
Browse Questions
Explore more categories
-
Moz Tools
Chat with the community about the Moz tools.
-
SEO Tactics
Discuss the SEO process with fellow marketers
-
Community
Discuss industry events, jobs, and news!
-
Digital Marketing
Chat about tactics outside of SEO
-
Research & Trends
Dive into research and trends in the search industry.
-
Support
Connect on product support and feature requests.
Related Questions
-
How to Increase Website Visibility on Google and Bing?
I am working on an e-commerce niche website and I aim to rank higher on Google to drive more traffic to my website. Any suggestions?
Link Building | | digitalenginehub0 -
Displaying 10 blog-posts from website homepage: Any loss in-terms of link juice?
Hi community, We started showing 10 blog-posts from our blog on our website homepage. Will this hurts us anyway by taking away link juice? Thanks
Link Building | | vtmoz0 -
How long until links lead to a ranking increase?
I've gotten some good links to my homepage recently. How long until I'm likely to see an increase in ranking? Let me know, thanks.
Link Building | | RafeConnection1 -
Links to deep pages good for Homepage ranking?
Hello Moz community. My question today is: if I got great backlinks with anchor text "abc" coming to a deep resource page in my site, will these links help my homepage rank for keyword "xyz"? In other words, are all links (regarless of anchor text) coming to a site helpful for the homepage to rank for its main keyword? Thanks.
Link Building | | EduardoRuiz0 -
My homepage is ranking great but my blog posts have dissappeared
It all happened a few weeks after Penguin 2.0 was released so I'm not sure if it is in any way related. My home page robt.info currently ranks really well for relevant key words like kids author. This has lead me to believe that 2.0 didn't negatively effect my site. I'm not in the business of anything remotely black hat related and purely focus on content. But, if you search for individual blog posts (which are extremely unique), they are nowhere to be seen. For example, one post I did was a story titled 'Fairy Floss For Brains'. Up until the second week of June I ranked extremely well for these really weird and unique blog posts. But now, they don't rank very well at all. Not even in top 100. They are indexed and in my sitemap. Can anyone please help me resolve this issue? Is there something I have done wrong that anyone can see? EDIT: I was able to utilise feedback from my question to resolve my issue. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP GUYS!
Link Building | | Insppaint0 -
Link Building Strategy - Please Give Feedback
Hi, I"m moving forward with link building for nlpca(dot)com and here's my plan I know my industry, keywords, and this site very well so I'll start by: Analyze Top content for top 10 competitors and see where the links are currently going. I'm assuming a competitor is someone similar to me and not sites like wikipedia in this case Make a spreadsheet for all of the worthwhile links that I find by using OSE and the top 10 competitors, places where if we're good enough we can get a link on that page. See what they're linking to Use (1) and (2) to discover what stelllar targeted content to build Use infographics, a blog, and articles to build targeted content to request a link from the people in (2) building out facebook, twitter, and Google +1 for the site is coming too. Your thoughts? I'm completely open to improvements via feedback.
Link Building | | BobGW0 -
PR in deeper pages
Hi, I got a question, a main domain from one site that link to me is PR 6 and deeper pages has no PR, i know this occur because the deeper pages are new. I just want to know if this deeper pages give to me a good backlink quality even it has no PR like main domain?
Link Building | | Ex20 -
Other than the homepage, what other pages need linkbuilding TLC?
With my linkbuilding efforts, I know what keywords I want to target but my homepage ranks for most of my keywords. The other pages were written and built for specific keywords, but do they need linkbuilding TLC? They don't rank in the SERPs much anyway (if not at all) and the homepage is by-far the strongest in the SERPs.
Link Building | | Bill4Time0