Post penguin & panda update. what would be a good seo strategies for brand new sites
-
Hi there. I have the luxury of launching a few sites after the penguin and panda updates, so I can start from scratch and hopefully do it right. I will get SEO companies to help me with this so i just want to ask for advices on what would be a good strategies for a brand new site. my understand of the new updates is this
-
content and user experience is important, like how long they spend, how many pages etc
-
social media is important. we intent to engage FB and twitter alot. in New Zealand, not too many people use google+ so we will probbaly just concentrate on the first two
-
hopefully we will try to get people to share our website via social media, apparent that is important
-
should only concentrate on high quality backlinks with a good diverse set of alt tags, but concentrate on branding rather than keywords.
Am i correct to say that so far? if that is the principle, what would be the strategy to implement these goals? Links to any articles would also be great please. Love learning.
i just want to do this right and hopefully try to future proof the sites against updates as possible. i guess quality content and links will most likely to be safe. Thank you for your help.
-
-
thank you for the great advices Kurt. have a lot of think about how to best move forward and get people involved, and more importantly, how to capture all that seo juice so i wont loose any.
seo seems alot more fun now then before when it was just about linking
-
Hi Btrinh,
Social engagement is about connecting with people.  It’s about responding to people’s comments, asking questions, etc. The point is to create a relationship with people or create a community of people. It’s not something that has a direct connection with SEO, but rather an indirect connection. By forming these relationships/communities, it makes it so people are more likely to consume your content and then link, Like, Share, retweet, +1 etc. when you push content out (the content still needs to be good). They are also more likely to tell others about your organization. So, it provides indirect SEO benefit as well as many other non-SEO benefits.
Good on-page optimization is a must, but link building is different today. For link building, I think the focus today needs to be on doing a great job with your company/website, creating a good user experience on your website, creating great content, connecting with people personally and on social sites so you can push your content out and get people to respond by linking, Liking, retweeting, etc.
Most of the old link building strategies which focused specifically on getting a link, especially one with your target anchor text, aren’t of much benefit anymore. Some can provides some value if done while also doing natural link building. You might get some benefit from article marketing if you produce good enough content that people use your stuff. You don’t get any value from links on the article sites themselves. There is also value to contacting relevant websites and asking for a link, but that is best done by first forming a relationship with someone who works on the website and you are giving them a good reason to want to link to you (your company is good, you have good content, etc.).
The point is that Google has always wanted links to come naturally, either because someone likes your company/website or you produce great content. Up until recently, they weren’t technically able to enforce that, so people were able to come up with unnatural link building strategies that worked. Now, they’ve advanced their tech to where those unnatural strategies generally don’t work anymore.
-Kurt Steinbrueck
OurChurch.Com -
thank you so much Kurt. Its great to know that everything you said agrees with everything i have read, and i appreciate the finer details that you have raised. however a few quick questions if i may please
1- engaging people. how would i do this to capture the social signals. what i mean is this. i can get people to talk on my FB page, thats not a problem. but i assume my website wont see any of this. So does this mean i have to somehow import this into my site? Like i need to allow people to comment inside the website via their FB account?
2- yes two of the sites that we are building will have lots of videos as well, so im glad you raise the importance of videos.
3- natural link building. from the way you describe, does this mean i dont need to hire seo companies to do linking work anymore, and only ask for their help with onpage SEO? since alot of them do talk about offering natural link building, submit articles to forums etc.
thank you Kurt
-
Hi Btrinh,
It sounds like your moving in the right direction and Pedram had some great advice. Â To answer your more specific questions...
- Effectively incorporating social media into your SEO can involve a lot of things, but I'd suggest you primarily focus on two things, sharing content (and having your content shared) and engaging people. Â Sharing content yourself is easy enough, but getting other people to share it is trickier. Â People need a reason to share something and the best reason is if it impacts them and they feel compelled to share. Â Things that impact people are things that are funny, moving, very interesting, about a cause they like, and even sometimes if something is a great deal. Â Beyond sharing content you want to engage people. Â Ask for opinions. Ask questions. When people post on your account, respond. Â Share other people's stuff, etc.
- Natural links means people link to your site of their own desire without reward. Â This usually means that either your company does a good enough job that people recommend/talk about you or that you produce content that is valuable enough to link to. Â By the way, you referred to "alt tags", but I think you mean anchor text. Â Alt tags are generally used with images. Â Assuming you mean anchor text (the text of the link), you want a combination of branding, naked URLs, keywords (and variations), and random words (click here, etc.). Â The thing is, that if you are getting most of your links by producing great content and doing a good job with your company/website, then this will happen naturally.
- Keyword research is essential. Â You need to know what keywords to target in your content and, to some extent, your link building. Â On-page SEO is still very important, so using keywords in your content is important. Â As for link building, I prefer a natural approach (as described above), but even with a natural approach you can target keywords by including them in content titles and things like that. Â It's natural for someone to link to an article using it's title as the anchor text. Â So, using a keyword in the title, can get you keyword-rich links naturally.
- I like video content as well. Â Done right, it can be very cost effective. Â Video has two other great benefits. Â If you are using people, you can create a stronger connection with people than they get from reading an article. Â Secondly, Google uses a different algorithm for the videos used in their blended results. Â So, if your site doesn't have enough authority to rank well with a page, it may still be able to rank well with a video.
- I use Google Analytics. Â It isn't perfect, but it's good.
Kurt Steinbrueck
OurChurch.Com -
Thanks pedram. ok i think in principle i might be right, but in details, i have no idea what it means. so i guess some specific questions might be
- how to effectively incorporate social media into SEO? are we specifically talking about people sharing pages from the website onto social media? Is a FB like or a comment enough, or do we need to encourage sharing more?
- natural links, yes - but what does that mean. it is diverse alt tags, make sure each link is surrounded by organic text, diversify sources of backlinks?
- if keyword is less important, is it still important to do keyword research and integrate into content?
- what about video content?
- you talked about analytic pacakage, is google analytics not powerful enough?
-
You're certainly on the right track. Starting from scratch is always a fun thing (if you're an SEO nerd like I am). You can set rules and goals in place from the get go and make sure best practices are followed as fresh content is always delivered and updated.
Content and user experience certainly are a big big plus. Make sure to do some good keyword research and tastefully integrate them within your content. Install a good analytics package and monitor user engagement. Social media definitely is another great outlet - make sure to use it effectively, especially Google+. I've seen some pages rank higher just by sharing on G+ (of course there are a lot of other factors, but this is just a correlation, not causation). Even if a lot of people don't use it, it's important to have a presence.
Dont' build crappy links. As you said, stick with quality over quantity - always. The more natural your content and the more quality it is, the more it will get shared and the more it will get linked to.
In short, you're on the right track
Got a burning SEO question?
Subscribe to Moz Pro to gain full access to Q&A, answer questions, and ask your own.
Browse Questions
Explore more categories
-
Moz Tools
Chat with the community about the Moz tools.
-
SEO Tactics
Discuss the SEO process with fellow marketers
-
Community
Discuss industry events, jobs, and news!
-
Digital Marketing
Chat about tactics outside of SEO
-
Research & Trends
Dive into research and trends in the search industry.
-
Support
Connect on product support and feature requests.
Related Questions
-
Which is the best way to rank a site?
Hi, I have been working on SEO for a long time, recently I started a new site where I was aiming to rank different niches but I am stuck. First I covered some keywords related to sports then I shifted the niche to hunting. My idea was to cover a niche fully then move on to the 2nd so the authority of the site can also help rank the 2nd niche but the problem is I am unable to rank my site. Should I be considering only a very specific niche site or should I continue doing all the stuff on the same site. Please checkout my site ReviewsCase.com and let me know. And if has also done the same please let me know.
Algorithm Updates | | seoasikhan20 -
Site has disappeared since Panda 4 despite quality content, help!
Our site www.physicalwellbeing.co.uk has lost over 20 first page rankings since the end of May. I assume this is because of Panda 4.0. All content on the site is high quality and 100% unique, so we did not expect to get penalised. Although I read somewhere that if Google can't read particular js anymore they don't rank you as high. The site has not been blacklisted as all pages are showing in Google's index and there are no messages on webmaster tools. We have not taken part in any link schemes and have disavowed all low quality links that were pointing there just in case (after the penalty). Can anybody see anything on www.physicalwellbeing.co.uk that may have cause Panda update to affect it so negatively? Would really appreciate any help.
Algorithm Updates | | search_shop0 -
Impressions & Traffic WAY Down. Where to start?
Beginning around November 1st, I began to notice a continual, gradual drop in impressions and traffic.  During the holiday season we typically see a decline in business so I initially passed it off as that, but there has been no rebound and I'm really confused on where to begin looking to figure this out. Daily impressions have now dropped from 20,000 all the way down to 5,000 and it has taken a major toll on the business (see attachment for graph of this). Some Background Information: My Site has been very static for the past 8 month's (since April '12).  Admittedly Overly static with very little other than a blog post here and there added.  However, during these 8 month's traffic jumped 30% so we were riding that wave and feeling confident that our past efforts built a great foundation. I'm not aware of anything even remotely black hat that has ever been done.  Everything is very much on the up and up and done with the user in mind. I'm unable to track anything to a Panda update due to the consistent, gradual nature of the decline.  However, with some important search queries completely falling off the map, it feels to me like we are being penalized or affected by a permanent algo change. In GWMT that are a variety of important search queries that show a change of -100%.  These terms do show an average position, but when I manually search for them they are no where to be found in Google search results.  This is very strange to me. It feels like we've been blacklisted for some of our more important keywords. We had a major site relaunch on January 20th (a week ago).  However the downward trend was in place well before this. The site is www.mycreativeshop.com To sum it up, I'm extremely confused and very concerned with what this drop is doing to the company.  I've never been in this position as we've worked very hard to lay a solid foundation and have always seen a continual, positive traffic increase.  It then seemed to just start turning downward one day and won't stop. If anybody has some suggestions of how to try to get to the bottom of this and learn what is really taking place it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, -J Wdab7Sk
Algorithm Updates | | cre80 -
Troubleshooting Decline of Branded Keyword Searches
Hi, Over the past year, I have seen a huge change in the distribution of our organic keyword traffic. I'm trying to research why our branded keywords have gone down. Â Google analytics only shows me impressions for the past three months. Does anyone have ideas on how to explain this change in traffic? Please see the attached chart. Thanks! branded-v-nonbranded-organic-search.jpg
Algorithm Updates | | netdiva_amy0 -
Confused About Addon Domains and SEO
I find addon domains really confusing. Everyone I've asked so far says that they don't affect SEO but I find that really hard to believe considering the same content is on both a subdomain and a subfolder and also has it's own unique domain. PLUS (in my case) completely different niche sites are sharing the same hosting. I really don't want to pay for hosting for all of my different sites but at the same time, if it's better/safer to do so for Panda/Penguin reasons I'm happy to do that. Thank you for your time. I look forward to your opinions/suggestions!
Algorithm Updates | | annasusmiles0 -
How do you block incoming links to your site?
With the new update to google focusing on link spam and multiple anchor text ? If you have incoming links that you would like to block or make no follow?
Algorithm Updates | | HelpingHandNetwork1 -
Negative SEO?
I have a large content site that's 8-9 yrs old, a PR4, DA of 66, and has many thousands of backlinks. It has ranked well for it's primary keywords for quite some time. This morning I noticed rankings dropped significantly. My #2 keyword went from 1 to 150. I started trying to figure out what was up and when I signed into GWT I had the notice from Google on 2/25 that they noticed un-natural linking tactics. Hmm....weird...I dont use un-natural linking methods. So I pulled open a couple back link analyzing tools and when looking at Majestic SEO I noticed that about mid February I had a spike of about 2500-3000 links coming from roughly 350 unique domains. Hmm..weird..We hadn't been doing any major content marketing or link building during that time or for probably a month to month and half before that. Upon analyzing some of those links it appears that a vast majority of them are from some type of blog network. Not sure which but you know the kind I'm talking about. ALN or something similar. What appears to have happened is someone pointed a bunch of spammy links at my site and this has caused Google to penalize me. I know this isn't suppose to be possible but just recently on a forum I visit I noticed a thread where someone was able to successfully do this to his competitor who has held the number one spot for over a year. He used the same technique of a couple hundred blog network links with varied anchor text and his competitor dropped about a hundred spots. So curious if anyone else has seen this or has any advice on my next step. I have filed a re-inclusion request and outlined what I think happened. I am also attempting to figure out which blog network it is so that I can request they remove those links but if I can't I'm not sure what I should do next.
Algorithm Updates | | jmacek070 -
SEO Link building / Article Distributation
Quick question in regards to link building and OFF PAGE SEO... Why isn't Articles distributation via wire services considered a "Duplicate Content" issue by Google? i.e. If take the one article and post it accross 50 (do follow) websites, Press release sites, and blogs. I would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on this. Regard, Sammy
Algorithm Updates | | revsystems.com0