Anyone seem anything from penguin yet?
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I know its early days and even the wonderful Dr Pete said it will take a few days to notice anything, but has anyone seen anything.
I've not seen any rise in traffic yet, but none of my ranking tracking tools have ran yet.
Anyone seen anything, are you expecting to see any?
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I have seen a very definite change on one client site which uses an exact match domain.
With that said I believe what was occurring was double anchor text from internal linking and external linking carrying the domain name into the back link.
Honestly, this is only a hunch, but the site has been increasing in traffic for the past 2 1/2 years pretty steadily.
This was the first big down cycle and as Google has stated this will not affect the domain entirely, but it will change the pages hit by spam.
I'm going to run a couple of tests on dummy sites that get at least take 10K of traffic every month allowing for comment spam and link spam to it individual pages and watch the fallout.
I do agree with you about what Dr. Pete mentioned it delayed Google has to crawl all the sites depending on your crawl budget and even regional internal Google page rank it could affect some more quickly than others.
US sites will be the first to feel the peak of Penguin.
For anybody tuning in on the subject here are some good references.
- https://searchenginewatch.com/2016/09/23/penguin-4-0-is-finally-here-google-confirms/
- https://webmasters.googleblog.com/2016/09/penguin-is-now-part-of-our-core.html
- http://searchengineland.com/google-updates-penguin-says-now-real-time-part-core-algorithm-259302
I hope this is of help,
Tom
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Not for myself in the UK as yet... I was reading a post from Barry Schwartz on SEO Round Table earlier who thinks it may not have fully rolled out just yet.
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Ditto, although it sounds like it's going to have the most noticeable effect on websites breaking Google link guidelines. I doubt you'll see any great change, especially if your own sites/client sites are in reputable niches.
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not yet, not a sniff.
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